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Old 07-13-2008, 07:43 AM   #17
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You know when I read stuff like this I just shake my head they have twisted facts and chose to only believe certain parts of history for so long that they begin to believe it themselves:

Case in Point: Why is it that you people are so quick to put down Indian people whose ancestors had the b---- to say no to signing up on a roll and chose instead to live their lives as they chose and stay where they were in Arkansas rather than move to Oklahoma. Blood is Blood regardless of whether your ancestors name is on a roll or not and I cannot understand why this is so hard for you to accept.

Now I read this and say ummm your not thinking there was only one roll right??? Because most of these people have the mistaken notion that the Dawes Rolls was the only one.

Rolls Before and During Removal

Reservation Rolls 1817
Recorded the Cherokees who chose to accept a plot of land on the Cherokee reservation (Eastern Band).

Emigration Rolls 1817-1835
Recorded those Cherokee who chose to "emigrate" to Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River in present day Oklahoma and Arkansas (prior to the Trail of Tears.)

Henderson Roll 1835
Recorded those Cherokees who were to be removed to Indian Territory on what would later be called the Trail of Tears.

Post Removal Rolls

Mullay Roll 1848
Recorded the Cherokees who remained in North Carolina after removal.

Siler Roll 1851 - Eastern
Recorded Eastern Cherokee entitled to per capita payment.

Old Settler Roll 1851 - Western
Recorded those Cherokee (still living) who had emigrated to Indian Territory prior to removal.

Chapman Roll 1852 - Eastern
Recorded the Eastern Cherokee who actually received payment from the government (reference to Siler Roll).

Drennen Roll 1852 - Western
Recorded those Cherokee who came to Indian Territory in 1839 on the Trail of Tears.

Act of Congress Roll 1854 - Eastern
Small roll of names added to the Siler Roll.

Swetland Roll 1869 - Eastern
Recorded those Cherokees, and their descendants, who were listed on the Mullay Roll as residing in North Carolina.

Hester Roll 1883 - Eastern
A roll of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians which provides a good deal of detail about those listed.

Churchill Roll 1908 - Eastern
Additional roll of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians which also included a list of those rejected from the Eastern Band.

Guion Miller Roll 1909 - Eastern & Western
For Cherokees (east and west) excluding the "Old Settlers" who were effected by numerous treaty violations and might be eligible for a monetary award as a result of the treaty violations.

Baker Roll 1924 - Eastern
The final roll of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee in anticipation of allotment. The land was not allotted and the reservation still exists. This roll is the basis for tribal membership in the Eastern Band.

The Dawes Rolls 1898-1914 - Western
The final roll of the western Cherokee. The roll ended the Cherokee Nation and allotted the land to the roll signers. This roll is the basis for tribal membership in the Cherokee Nation.


Here is the point to this
If none of your Ancestors showed up on any of these rolls from 1817 to 1914 then it was a pretty good bet they were not Cherokee!!! They had chose to move away from there kinfolk and live as whites that was their choice and some did that. Mostly the mixed bloods had done this. When you understand our history the Full bloods had been the ones that "emigrated" Long before the trail of tears.
That is what started so much bad blood during the dark days of the 1840's and 1850's when the mix breeds that had been moved to Oklahoma and started flexing their political muscle to take back over the tribal council!!!

History is there to read and study, You cant take parts of it and twist it to your needs because there will always be someone that comes along calls BULLSHYTE on it!!!
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