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Old 01-01-2012, 02:39 AM   #217
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Originally Posted by timmy tiger View Post
WOW!!!

Fact: The Eastern Cherokee didn't go, but some did and returned and many who stayed did (years later) go to OK and Joined the CNO on the Dawes Rolls. And another fact, those who did and are can trace their ancestor's through the tribe back to at least 1835 and some (in some cases many) can go back as far as 1817 and even before then. Fact they stayed together as a Tribe and family.

Fact: Those who were not in the area, also didn't try to help out the people who were there. Because Fact: those not in the area had left the tribe and chose to live as "White" and that's also recorded and documented. No different the an Irishman who left Ireland, he's of Irish descent but not a Citizen of Ireland.

Fact: many say they are recognized, but aren't. Are they federal records stating that, not their records? Anyone can type something up and say it's a fact, but doesn't mean it is through and recognized by the Federal Gov unless there's a document from them actually stating that. And many State's that don't have Federally Recognized tribes in their borders have no clue about the DOI or BIA and have no clue how to handle it, so some do accept stuff that's not Federal by mistake at first. Like I mentioned before that Fake Shawnee group, the guy had the sheriff convinced that his land at Zane Caverns was "Federal Land", finally the sheriff called the Attorney General's office of the state and they informed the Sheriff that that is Privately Owned land and is NOT Indian or Federal land of any kind. Many of those agencies don't communicate with each other and are not that bright until something happens. The same with Kentucky, they are NOT federally recognized. And another FACT: The Minority commission is set up to allow funds to anyone of a Minority background and at no time do they have to prove Federal Recognition, that is totally different then touching the funds specifically set aside for the Federally recognized tribes by acts of Treaty's. So it depends on the agency and where they get their funding from before you can make a claim on them being "Federally Recognized" There are laws about that too.

Fact: Bands? Are you referring to Clans? There were different communities, but they all know who each other were and could communicate.

Fact: Smear campaigns? Have you seen the aweful stuff that's written and said by some who have no clue as to the true history of the Cherokee people. I've had people tell me all kinds of stuff such as there were Cherokee's in OK in 1425, uh there's no documentation back that far for Cherokee's considering Desoto came into Cherokee lands in 1540, you're looking at over 100 years before then. And I've heard people get on MIC's and start spewing the biggest bunch of garbage about the tribe trying to make themselves appear to be so knowledgeable. And it's absoluetly horrible and insulting to actual cherokee's and chorokee descendents who are real and bother to know the people, history and traditions. Unlike most of the Fake tribes.

Fact: The Eastern Cherokee had a Casino for years and then all of a sudden other's think they are making all this money so they want to cut a piece of the action for themselves, take away what the Cherokee's had for so long (Just like the fakes try to do!!!). So yes they are going to fight. It's called SURVIVAL. Let them find another way to make money then to take what the Cherokee's have built up!!!

Fact: pretty much every tribe has been relocated at one time or another. Moved from one place to another and then back again. The Sioux sure leap to mind too and so do many other's as well. So what's the point on that one?

Fact: "Kicked to the curb"? If you are referring to the Freedmen again, Josiah said it was resolved. It was a tribal thing and if the tribes are Sovereign then it's their business. As for your comment that I saw about the Slaves carrying the luggage. HOLY CRAP!!! What are you on? There was no luggage. The people left with just the cloths on their backs. Not much else, and anything else was carried in Wagons. Oh and there are records of what was in and on the wagons and how many per Detachment. So think again. And as a matter of fact, the Cherokee's were told to accept the Freedmen as part of the tribe based on the treaty of 1866, after the Civil War. But the Eastern Cherokee's, who were already and still together, were never given or made such a treaty and neither were any other federally recognized tribe other then the 5 civilized tribes, as far as I know (I could be wrong, but I don't think so).

Fact: "Enroll non cherokee people". Um, all Indian tribes had adoption practices, and again if they are sovereign then that's their choice and their right. What sour grape's 'cause it wasn't you?

Fact: less Native blood then the Fake tribes.HAHAHAHAHA :Hysterica Okay, you have to wait for me to stop laughing here. Now that was the least intelligent statement I've read so far.HAHAHAHA I can't stop laughing. Oh my gosh what a hoot!!!! Are you serious? Now if that were the case and able to be documented then they would be Enrolled or a Citizen, but they arent'. So where's the proof? In their fantasy worlds and not on any document or the tribe would have it and know. Here's a good one. A man from Germany who's grandfather was Full Indian, met his grandma while he was in the service and they had a son, the grandfather died very early in life. Guess what!!! Oh the Grandson was Enrolled, oh this year even. Yeah, so you can spew how they don't accept, but I know for a fact that if there's verifiable ancestry, then yes it is accepted. So try again.

Moving on to more, gonna be a while. Think I better plan on an all nighter.HAHAHAHA
Darn timmy tiger, where did you get all that knowledge??? LOL

Been to visit your family up on Qualla Boundary lately?

I don't think ECBN knows what you do with all transcripts.
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