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Old 01-01-2012, 07:11 AM   #255
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Originally Posted by ECSN View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl_eLJWx2n0

You said the 1800's right.

That video is by some lady who went researching how long the collins melungeon family been in Ohio and she found them entering in the 1850's. She was saying we was aliens so we did not give her much info. We would not give her our tribe name because she was acting all weird with her talks about us being aliens. We relocated to many of the mounds associated with us. In the 1850's they found us all around the serpant mound, in the early 1700's they was trying us as "indians" in court at the Saponi mound at louisa Virginia area. The indians at them court hearings was later indentified directly as Saponi.


You want to go deeper into Ohio's history with us?

http://community-2.webtv.net/dls-Gra...IndianDescent/

--Shawnee Kispoko Chief Waywaythi
Little is recorded about the life of the father of Pucksinwah, except he was thirty years old at the time of Pucksinwah's birth which occurred at Pickawilly, located on the banks of the Great Miami River on the site of Piqua, Miami county, Ohio. No information has been discovered relative to the identity of his wife, Pucksinwah's mother.


Shawnee Kispoko Chief Pucksinwah
He was born at Pickawilly, Ohio, now the site of Piqua, Ohio, son of Wawwaythi. Married Methotasa, a cherokee Shawnee in May of 1755. He died October 10,1774 in the battle at Point Pleasant. He predicted his own death also the death of his son-in-law. Also gave birth to the first recorded triplet sons in the Shawnee Nation. Was a loving father and husband and cherished all young children as shown by adoption of children of white descent taken in battle, as shown below. A great Leader of his people and spiritually attuned to Manato, the Shawnee God.

Tecumpease ( Sister of Tecumseh)
abt 1758 -1823
Spouse -- Rupert Collins b. abt 1742
"The mother of Jane Collins Full is said to have retained her Indian name after her marriage to Mr. Collins." I can vision this Indian girl, dressed in the traditional garb, common to the customs of her people, wise in her knowledge of the wilderness, shy and unpretentious; the daughter of a chief and a princess among her tribe. She was born about 1749.--


Interesting, We have the Same Collins family marrying into the Ohio Shawnee back in the 1700's. We find the Collins family living at the Serpant mound in Ohio in the mid 1850's. We have the same Collins family being tried in court with Saponi indians at the Saponi mound.

Oh and did I mention DNA tests have confirmed these are the same Collins family?

I think I already showed the 1842 supreme court case in Ohio involving the Jeffries family.
LMAO--I said early 1800's.. But it doesn't matter 'cause you say that they went into OH in the 1850's. So what? That doesn't mean it was ever Saponi Territory, one family only. Not the whole Tribe, that's the point. Shoot I can prove that there was a Cherokee Family (by federal records) that moved to OH in 1832, still doesn't make a tribe, only a family who, on their own, left the tribe. That's the point.

And then you go into the Shawnee. I never asked abut the Shawnee, I don't doubt the Shawnee or Pottowatomi(spelling?) or Miami's at all or even the Mingo's. They are all documented in the early 1800's. No not interesting really. Are you sure it's the same family, after all you are talking 150 years difference.

First you say that your Collins show up in OH in 1850's, but then you say that they are related to the Collins who were in OH back in the 1700's. Well, if they inter-married then yeah it would show that possibility. That's why DNA isn't fool proof or accepted by Tribes as proof of ancestry. So it doesn't mean a thing. You need to do some real research on DNA before trying to use that as a proven anything. Do the actual lab's, not the websites trying to get your money by making false promises.

DNA's bunk. It's only a possible probability at best. Even an all male line. But if you have a female in there, not a chance is it right. Male lines are Y-string, Female lines are MtDNA and they only go either back male only or female only. And the Autosomal can only get it to 1/8th possible for siblings, going that far back. Well, I don't know a tribe that accepts DNA for the purpose of proving ancestry or Enrolling. So that's moot right there.
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