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Old 01-17-2012, 09:48 AM   #82
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Genealogy is not a laughing matter
Tracing your Ancestry is not a Laughing matter
This is serious business!
Having said that you must keep an open mind
Not all us descend from Famous Folks
Jesse James must have a Million Descendants but when you actually trace that is not so.

I got interested into doing this research about 7 years ago and along the way have met other people that have the same interest. I consider my self a thorough researcher because that is what it takes. You can't have a preconceived idea that you are going to find something sensational. I have traced my Paternal side and Maternal side.

Ok now we will talk about NDN ancestry
Specifically Cherokee there are Three Federally Recognized Tribes Two in Oklahoma and one in North Carolina
First Oklahoma:
Cherokee Nation and United Keetoowahs use the same roll the famous Dawes Roll of 1907. This is a listing of Cherokees that lived in Indian Territory as of the taking of the roll 1896 to 1907. Some popular misconception's about this roll
1) It was not Voluntary!
2) It is incomplete because people hid out in Arkansas to keep from signing up
3) People were arrested but they escaped and refused to sign up

The Dawes commission was assembled and traveled throughout the Indian Territory enrolling the different tribes. In our case they had the Records of the Cherokee Nation specifically The 1896 payment Roll the 1880 Citizenship rolls both done by the Cherokee Nation Themselves. So they already had a pretty clear picture of who was Cherokee and living in Indian Territory. Over 100,000 people showed up to enroll (HMMM) but only 40,000 were in fact enrolled. When you came to the commission they had a Commissioner,Interpreter a Scribe and a Representative from the Cherokee Nation usually WW Hastings. You sat down and they asked you questions who are you what are your parents etc etc. If you read through the Dawes packets it has a wealth of information. A snapshot of who a person was at the turn of the century. Notes would be written down this person was indeed found on previous rolls yes they had lived within the boundaries of the Cherokee Nation and No they had not left. Parents and Grandparents would be written down if they spoke English and what was there post office. A person would be used as a reference that would attest that they lived where they said they did and how long they knew them. Fairly extensive process to enroll a Family, in the case of my Grandma on my Father's side she was Born Nov 11 1907. So she was not enrolled but a too late. So her Parent's roll number was used so we go back another Generation to Josiah and Evabelle Hawkins roll number 18404 and 18405. Looking up their Dawes Packet you find something that dispels several myths about the Dawes Rolls. Josiah and Evabelle were not present at the time they were signed up by Mother in Law Sarah Swimmer!!
She testified that she was enrolling her daughter because she was sick and feeble at the time. They asked about Josiah (by Name) and she said he would not be coming in because he refused to enroll. They asked if he was Keetoowah she said yes... They enrolled both my Great Grandparents without them actually being present. They wrote down the fact that both were found on previous rolls and that they had both lived and were alive in the Cherokee Nation they wrote down the name of there Children as of that date and they were assigned Roll Numbers and Received 160 acres plus 40 for Homestead case closed NEXT...

Redbird Smith also refused to enroll and was traveling all over Indian Territory making speeches to keep people from enrolling
He was arrested in Muskogee and was enrolled along with his whole family and others.

This information is found in many places on the Internet and in the National Archives. The LDS have librarys all over the country that is open to the public and anyone can use for the most are free but if they have to send off for microfilm it ia a nominal fee.

If its there, you will find it, you do not need to go back hundreds of years but to 1900 Grandparents or even Great Grandparents age
I found my Great Great Granparents on the roll also plus Great Aunts, Uncles lots and lots of people you just have to look.

Last edited by Josiah; 01-17-2012 at 10:26 AM.. Reason: minor corrections
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