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Old 07-22-2013, 09:18 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by Gledanh Zhinga View Post
In my 7-12-06 post, I talked about Clyde Warrior[RIP], Ponca, and a Hochunk man singing hethuska songs to each other. On July 13, 2013, I visited with Tony Isaacs of Indian House Recordings at the Taos Pueblo Powwow, and I mentioned this to him. He remembered it, because he roomed with Clyde when they were students in Norman, OK. Because Tony and I were both acquainted with Clyde, we remembered the story this way. The man Clyde was comparing songs with was Andy Thundercloud.

Clyde would sing a hethuska song and Andy would then sing it but with different words. Clyde would sing another and Andy would respond with the same, but with Hochunk words. Clyde was attempting to reach way back and pull forth a song that Andy wouldn't know, but to no avail. As they continued, Andy would always have a response.

Tony Isaacs says that he saw this Clyde/Andy singing back and forth in person, that it wasn't just hearsay.

This brings us to the idea that the Hochunk have not been given enough attention regarding the hethuska and its origins.

Gledanh,

Yes. This is the same story that I heard, but only from Andy's side. I didn't know it was Clyde Warrior who was in this collaboration. So I concur with Tony that it wasn't pure hearsay.

This brings on a more important question as you suggest. Since the HoChunk are Heloshka practicing people, where did the songs that Andy knew come from? Were they Ponca and changed to Hochunk words or were some of them HoChunk???
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