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Old 04-02-2006, 06:01 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Gache
Sovereignty is a figment of our imagination. The american public doesnt care a lick about indians. At any moment congress can wipe sovereignty off the face of the earth. 2.6 million indians of which most probably have little interaction with indian communities is not something that the government is too terribly concerned about. Now the previous several comments have seemed to support my premise. More voters ie indians the better we have of eliminating obstacles to true soveriegnty.
Not as long as that electoral vote is still in place Gache. They still won't care until non natives as a majority care. And well... guess what?

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Blackbear I have to disagree with your position about being more indians when the whites first came comparing to the situation now. First of all its a wrong comparison. Whites were far more advanced militarily it was about conquering. Not only that whites had a huge population base in europe versus the US native america.
While whites use a different method of conquest now, we have in our power as the whites are not replacing themselves with numbers ie 1.8 children per white woman, we are.
White were NOT advanced militarily until about the 1700's. Think about it. They had to pack a rifle and the best still took about 30 seconds to do that. In the meantime while they are trying to pack gunpowder, packing and a lead ball into a gun and then light a fuse to fire it, there's a native man swinging a war club at your head or fireing an arrow at him. They also used to fight in rows. Stand in a big cube formation, the first row fires and then kneels to pack while the next row fires and so on... they had to learn to fight like us first. They were also so few in number that they had to enlist tribes to fight against each other?

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The navajo for example were only some few thousands at the turn of last century now are over 200,000 and are courted by politicians in arizona. Someone mentioned little tribes get no respect and thats because their little. Money isnt power unless there are people to back it up. Look at the jews in europe in the 1930s. A very rich group of people on average but basically got destroyed by the majority.
Yep and like all the groups they went to, they made lots of promises they don't expect to keep. They know our concerns now, large or small and are supposed to by law to do many things that they don't... just because someone votes for them you think this would change? In other words, they don't do it now, why would they do it for a vote.

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Money doesnt replace numbers. Numbers also insulate the traditional core of a nation that then are able to preserve what is really the value of indian people. Lakota, navaho and other large tribes will be the only ones with continuing language and cultural survival. Their numbers effectively shield encroaching white culture more effectively than say a 200 member nation in washington state.
Hmm.... yeah. Encroachment.... Ok so how about the water plan for Pine Ridge that was never completed or how the bars were wanting to build and extend on bear butte as well as a fireing range? How about the uranium mineing in Navajo country? And what have they done for the cherokee nations (the largest in number) lately? Nope, money seems to do the trick. It took a land claim suit before they cleaned up the water for the Onondaga. But yes, the larger the tribe the more of the culture is preserved. It's preserved even better when a native child is raised traditionally.. even without large numbers.

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Your right blackbear numbers is not a cure all.
Numbers equal power while power is not a cure all of anything which is what I think you missed in my statement blackbear, it gives us more ability to tackle social, economic, political and cultural issues.

The US is fast heading towards having no majority racial group which is nice and it opens up the established elite to court voters other than their own racial group especially in the next 100 years. Lots of indian babies.

Another situation related is to get indian hispanics to realize their native culture and revitalize their indianness. Do people realize that 90% of mexican indians put down white or metizo as their ancestry?
I'm so sorry I'm pessimistic about this.. but seriously.. when they government sees us, they really don't see us as potential voters with a voice no matter how large our numbers.. they see us a people they are paying money out to. Money that could be used for more free lunches for them or extra vacations. In fact, it's the large number of Lumbees that I believe is why they have yet to this day not recieved true federal recognition. They just don't want to pay out any more money for funding tribal health care and such for them.
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