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#101 |
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I just want to say that I was at the pow wow the whole weekend and had fun. However, I do not think it's fair to say that most of the judges were not from NC and didn't know anyone. As a spectator that weekend I seen plenty of judges from that area and from NC and that were friends with dancers that were in the catagory that they were judging. And some of the catagories had the same judges back to back. I am a dancer myself and I have been a judge. I think that dancers should be judged on their style and grace. And on how good they dance, stay on beat, honor their honor beats, and stopping at the end of the song. And I really think that alot of judges these days , not saying particulary this pow wow, place dancers based on how their outfit looks alone. Not based on dancing and how the person acts in their outfit and inside of the arena. I also think that alot of people do not know what to look for in dancing while judging but if they know the person or if that person has a "name" then they place them. Which to me isn't the right way. But hey like I said I had fun but just thought I would throw that in the mix.
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#102 |
Junior Dancer
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onegoofynd,
Yes, how HOW PETTY INDEED!!! You say you were here Sat and Sun, so were you a dancer, singer or a bleacher judge?? As for the quality of dancers out there... all dancers are good dancers. And on any given Sunday an "average dancer can rise to the occasion and out dance a "champion". That is called Competition. Is this not what we teach the little ones?? I have taught dancers that on Sunday when the winners are named, if they are not in that group to be proud that they did their best and had a great time. As for the judges... I thought the Head Judge did a good job picking judges. Obviously you would have done differently, but then again, you were not picked as a judge. Maybe you have not been to our powwow before, but we have a good time and we represent our folks well. So, we have a big family and alot of friends. As a matter of fact alot of dancers and singers that come from far away to visit become family thus making the picking of impartial judges just that much harder. Our Head Judge did his best to pick judges that had little or no ties to the community. Had he picked home folks then you would be complaining of us choosing our own winners. Judges are individuals "what were the Judges looking for?" Only they can answer that for you. I can tell you that I have confidence in our Head Judge to select judges that are knowlegeable of what they are called to do. I know two of the traditional crow women and they always dance well and are a pleasure to watch. They have placed here many times before. Are they in the "in crowd"? I would say that they are a part of our family. Your whining is very petty. I always welcome anyone and everyone to come and have a good time with us but if you do not like how we do things... STAY HOME!!!
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#103 |
Tiny Tot Dancer
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Well.... Well Okay then I'll bite
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#104 |
Tiny Tot Dancer
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Dance Judges
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#105 | |
Teen Dancer
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You wanna know what amuses me?? I won't hold back, you want the truth, I'll get it out there: I've seen your man on here before running his mouth and running people down for the way they dance. Does Brooklyn ring a bell? Now Hollister? ![]() Some key points: He isnt "helping", he's ridiculing! He is sharing what "was taught to him", teachings vary from family to family....even person to person. That's something important to remember!! Then you talk about how things happen "where he comes from".......My point exactly. Where did both of these incidents happen??? Just because teachings are different here, does NOT make them wrong!! This is nothing that I would not say TO YOU if I saw you somewhere. I would go about it differently, in a more respectable way but YOU wanted to make it public. Remember, you drew the claws first!!! |
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#106 |
Oldfart
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Travelling is good. Dancing is good. Placing is good.
Being selected by judges who do not know you/ have never ever seen you dance before is an honor. Whining is not good. Just dance. |
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#107 | |
conquistaDORA!
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I had a kick *** time at Hollister!!! It was so good to see so many dancers fill that arena! Marty you did an excellent job, Sandon is a future MC Great...watch out for this man folks, he'll be comin to a powwow near you! As for the winners...CONGRATS to all!! There's always going to be someone who thinks the results are unfair, that stems from bias, hatred, jealousy, etc....but know that you won because you were chosen by the judges & thats how it goes! You win some, you lose some, but you should always keep dancing!! A few shout outs for the winners, Crystal i'm so happy for ya girl...i love dancing w/you & you were JAMMIN at Hollister, way too go! Same w/Mrs. Kline, it was an honor to be in the cirlce w/you! I enjoy watching Josh Richardson dance, he's a Champion on the rise, and i mean this next comment w/nothing but good intensions, my only suggestion is Josh, luv, please incorporate some traditional double beat moves into your dance when your category is given a double beat....you'd be a killer at "double beat crow hop"! i know ya would!! :) I love watchin u jam out! As for Yahsti, big ups for gettin out there & tryin a new style....it takes a lot for someone to switch categories & come into their own in that style...it takes time & no one is a "CHAMPION" fresh out the gate, so i'm proud of you bro for tryin somethin new.....keep at it. Once again, Congrats to all the winners, Way to go Powwow Committee....and i just wanted to tell my NC Fam & Friends that i really enjoyed seein' all of ya'll....you guys are just too darn good to us & we truly appreicate everything....THANK YOU!! We'll see ya'll down in LUMBEE ready to do it again! ;)
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#108 | |
Flat E!
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just like when people see jingle dress dancers hip hop dancing and get outraged cuz they look like they are dancing on a pole. or when people think a powwow was run funny. or when people do stange things when gourd dancing. there are basics for all dancing, jingle, chicken, straight, traditional. u take those basics and build. this is a forum to discuss what goes on in and around powwow country. im sorry if u feel this is sacred grounds where no one is allowed to speak their mind. i also dont see u patroling every thread watching out for when people have something to say about some1 in real life louie has talked to yahsti, billy, keith and others about chicken dancing and round bustling. he answers anyones questions and poses ones he feels he needs to ask, like where they learned to dance from or who taught them. as for when outfits or things were taken Rocky Boy Powwow 2005, Rocky Boy MT (just in case u r unfamiliar with this powwow or its location- there are several chicken dance societies where they feel it was started there) a young man who carried and wore items from these societies, was asked about the 3 items he carried; had not the correct answers; had 3 items taken away if u need more explaination feel free to pm Kyi-Yo 2005 a young man danced with his otter pelt (which is a symbol of a society) and a few members of the same societies asked him about his pelt and then took it from him. He has asked his uncles is he is wrong for explaining to people or getting mad when stuff isnt correct. and i feel bad for him cuz hes not used to the east coast, his uncles just tell him to keep doing it right and maybe with time they will learn as for louies resume if u want to know it u send him a pm im sure hed be happy to tell u his society and his family tree or whatever u need to know to feel like he knows what hes talking about. then maybe u might wanna ask paul to add that to the profile so that when people question whether some1 can answer questions about styles of dance u can just click on the link and have that little nifty resume ![]() and im sure when he gets to a computer he can answer whatever u have sent him
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#109 |
Flat E!
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hollister powwow
as ms. bp said i had fun also. what a way to bring in my birthday...
it is always a pleasure to see the OE u all dance beautifully and now we have one more crow lady to show us her stuff :) (ms OB) Kit was amazing. smooth as always. fancy and mens tradish always great to watch... paige great dancin out there. :) *wink wink* see every1 down the road
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#110 |
Teen Dancer
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Emmy, I believe I made my point.
![]() Dance hard Yahsti! Like Bux said, "nobody is perfect fresh out of the gate." |
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#111 |
Tiny Tot Dancer
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Still just opinions!!!
Yeah...I agree that it takes time to become good at a particular style of dance, well then work on it. Which is what most of us do. Get everything you need beadwork, great outfit, practice, etc. & then just jam out.... but some of these people do not even come close to resembling the dance style it looks more like modern dance and I can professionally speak on that. Give me a break. No matter how you look at this it is still a matter of opinion and opinions can be challenged. There are many different styles and it seems that every category becomes more contemporary as we go on. The dancers in the grass dance category jammed out yes but DREW..... you just go boy everybody was talking about how well you danced that weekend. Keep it up!!!!!!!
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#112 |
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[QUOTE=blah blah blah!!!
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#113 |
Tiny Tot Dancer
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bla bla bla......
What quote & who are you referring to????????????????
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#114 |
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WOOOOOOOOAH!
Somebody's trying to get tough with my girl Ndneyez????? ![]() I'll just say this, she can hold her own. She's intelligent and can handle the debate but I've seen her handle her stuff before... be careful with your mouth. |
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#115 |
Junior Dancer
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this is exactly why i don't powwow..........
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#116 | |
UNBELIEVEABLE!
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Okay, so I've been away and come back to this?!?!!!? OMG I don't quite understand why you degrade ppl for trying. Are you best? Are you the greatest of all time? Oh Lord, I'll hold my tongue otherwise my attitude will come out and believe you me you will know the diff. I never said he was perfect at it nor did i state that he should have placed. He was told and given permission to 'chicken' by a highly respectable individual who is no longer on this earth. |
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#117 | |
Flat E!
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the point i think louie was trying to make was that his bustles where more of round bustle than chicken. and his movements were not quite what chicken dancers or round bustlers do. he may not have said it right or to ur liking. he stated his feelings or what he saw. he spoke to yahsti. like all other styles of dance there are things should be done and not done. u dont see traditional ladies spinning and and kicking their legs up like fancy shawl, u dont see jingle dancers doing flips like mens fancy, u dont see any women in miniskirts and haltertops. we take what we learn and make it our own but within reason. at the risk of being chastized. like a a friend said when we were talking about otter caps and straight dancing. he said, "People take the basics of a dance and the take parts(meaning the otter caps) from people they see along the trail. well when i know its not right i can ask them who gave them the right to wear it. i can also take it away from them if inclined to do so." can he speak 4 all comanches? can an ojibkwe speak for all jingle dressing ladies? can a crow voice their opinion on moves during a double beat? if they see something not right that belongs to them (their people), do they...? thats all i really have to say on this all
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#118 | |
UNBELIEVEABLE!
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First of all I NEVER spoken with Louie NEVER EVER EVER. If anybody has anything to say about my dancing, say it to my face don't wait til you get behind the computer and hide yourself. As far as style of the dancing I was doing, that was my style. And if you are a true dancer, anybody should know individuality is what dance is all about. I've taken a style of dance that has been given to me and I dance the way I know how to dance it. Anyone has any questions, see me on the circuit, not on the computer. Thank you to all those that support me in my change of style at this time. For Louie, If you keep traveling the path that you're on, your circle will come back on you. Just remember! Last edited by taani; 04-25-2006 at 02:17 PM.. |
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#119 |
Flat E!
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he said s[h]e said
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