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Old 08-23-2010, 11:28 AM   #701
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I juss wanna share some of my absolute fav pics have been from people who are there enjoying the pow-wow snap pics and by the end of the evening I have pics I will cherish forever. I have a all time fav of me and my son who is now 13 but at the time he was around five or six he is looking up at me and I down at him such a sweet pic. As said Take pics share your art and if the dancers see you affering pics I dont see you having a problem.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:45 AM   #702
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Thanks - In the past, I have not wanted to intrude, so I have snapped away privately and upon approaching some people, they kind of avoid me - I think that they thought I would want to photograph them for my own purpose. So via the sometimes blunt knock downs here, I decided to contact the Event Organizer this year to let him know that I will be there if anyone wants pics taken of their family, friends, regalia, dramatic poses or other things. Perhaps that will help to open it up a little more so that I can offer this with some level of "non-intrusion" on privacy.
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the most non intrusive way to enjoy the powwow would be to just go and enjoy the powwow.. Sit in your chair and enjoy it, no camera, no services to offer etc.. Im just saying, a camera in your hand is one of the most intrusive ways to be nonintrusive. Haha
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There are so many differing opinions among yourselves. A person cannot please everyone, so sometimes it is easier to not go at all.
However, it will be my last year at this powwow, and I intend to capture those memories and give back what I can to the people who make it possible to learn about Native culture.
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There are so many differing opinions among yourselves. A person cannot please everyone, so sometimes it is easier to not go at all.
However, it will be my last year at this powwow, and I intend to capture those memories and give back what I can to the people who make it possible to learn about Native culture.
That was the reason I brought my camera to the first PowWow I attended. When I took my camera out, the lady next to me said some of those in attendence would not want their pics taken. It became second nature to ask first, giving a brief explanation for my wanting to film, and I've rarely been told no. I personally hate having my pic taken too (hence my alter ego, Dark Frog, to the left of this post) and can understand anybody's reluctance. The last time I went, I didn't take my camera, tho. I think I had a better time, to tell you the truth. My daughter and I enjoyed ourselves, worrying about camera angles and lighting negated. We took our time and chatted with vendors and fellow attendees. I think next time we'll leave the camera home too...give us time to discuss important things like how strong and graceful men can be when they put their minds to it. Did I say that out loud?? O_O ribbit
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ha! I love it. You musta seen me carrying 2 ndn tacos, 3 pickles, 4 sodas and a snow cone.
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ha! I love it. You musta seen me carrying 2 ndn tacos, 3 pickles, 4 sodas and a snow cone.
Oh! That was YOU??? *Bats eyelashes*
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You should see him dance, with

"...multiple spins and backdrops, high kicks, etc",

while carrying

"...2 ndn tacos, 3 pickles, 4 sodas and a snow cone." !!!

Very impressive.
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I could be wrong - but it appears that you expect native people to just open up to you and teach you everything that you want to learn. Let me tell you that - it usually doesn't happen that way. Most ndns are leary of non-indians who come around and wanting information among other things - and rightly so given what has transpired over the generations, and what is currently happening NOW.

Usually you have to gain acceptance by them whether its a family, community or tribe. You MAY gain acceptance OVER TIME. And they MAY share cultural information with you - if they feel you are responsible, ready and can be trusted with the information etc.... Theres a chance that they may NOT share any cultural information with you.

With cultural information it is learned over a lifetime and through experiences along they way. Cultural information is shared at certain times of the years, at certain intervals in ones life etc.....

It amazes me sometimes that non-ndn people want to know the same information that other have learned in their whole lifetime, and want to learn it in matter of a year or month etc... WTF!!!

You have to realize too that alot of teachings is earned therefore that information will never be given to you as a non-indian. Some information is not given out outside certain families and/or even to other tribes.

If you want to learn some things the best thing to do is to gain acceptance if possible and that starts with getting to know the people. If the native individuals/person(s) feel that you are ready and they feel it is okay share a bit of information with you then that is up to them. If they don't feel it is appropriate then they might not share anything with you. They are the gatekeepers of that knowledge and it is their discretion to share what information they want to share and to whom.

As far as cultural teachings one should listen, observe and help out. Most white people will not do these things and bombard the native with questions and the native will cease to give out the information. Because then you are being white by wanting to control the information you want instead of what the native feels you are ready for. Sometimes you have to just Shuddup and listen LOL.

And what really gets on my nerves and others - is when a non-native learns a bit information and then thay act as if they are the experts and they are the indian. BIG NO NO!!!!!

This is just my opnion LOL
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For the record, I might have said "sit down" (I think), but I never said "shut up". Questions are fine, if asked in a receptable way. I mean that you're open to accept the answer, whatever it might be.

Don't feel bad that you're not 100% Indian. Not everyone is perfect...just joking! My dad was from Ohio - 100% white. My uncle says, being from Toledo, we don't like people from Cincinatti or Cleveland.

I didn't grow up steeped in the culture either... we moved all over when I was growing up. But then I'm not trying to be some expert either. I just know what I know...what I picked up, was taught, and learned over YEARS of being quietly respectful and not being pushy, defensive, or confrontational.

But House Hunters International is on...I'm outie.
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My apologies for being trigger sensitive = I was SO excited to find that I had Native Blood in me that I just steamrolled - very much like me - however, you guys did a good job of putting me squarely in my spot -
I found out that I have Mohegan blood. I am sure I won't ever be able to register it because of the adoption - ancestry is all muddled and hard to trace, but I will try. :(
I have been to Toledo lots of times- it's ok if you don't like Cleveland. You can still knock my my door anytime!
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i like Cincinatti. I traveled there in 2003 on a record buying trip.. The amount of rare soul 45s coming out of Ohio in the 1960s and 70s was staggering. It was the best city ive ever bought records in. I spent loads of cash. But.. That doesnt have anything to do with anything here. Haha
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