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Old 08-07-2012, 03:09 PM   #1
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Dance Contest Prize Money...

Maybe its just a rant but, why do commitees at contest powwow's rip off the teens & jr catagories?

I always see the fliers that advertise $1000 or $1500 1st place prize money for adult catagories but, then show teens and jr's at like $300-400 for 1st. Are the teens & jr's not dancing as much or, has hard as adults? Are they not just as invested as adults?

I constantly see the powwow's "slogan" for the year about "for the youth" or "stregthing the children" ect. then, give the major prize money to the adult catagories.

Idk, maybe its just me but, I think every catagory (if its a contest powwow) should have the same prize money regargless of age. Just my opinion.

What are y'all thoughts? Maybe a powwow commitee member is on this forum and can explain why the big difference..
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I see it as:

First, the adults deserve more money because, in general, they are the ones that put out the money for the trip to whatever powwow - you know gas, food, hotel, car maintenance, etc...

Secondly if the committee has a budget for contest payouts and they decide to pay each category the same per place then the amount for each place is significantly decreased. So instead of $1,000 or $1,500 for first place you get more like $600.

The only powwows that I would say are doing it just to be "cheap" are the ones hosted and or funded by casinos, for obvious reasons.
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I see it as:

First, the adults deserve more money because, in general, they are the ones that put out the money for the trip to whatever powwow - you know gas, food, hotel, car maintenance, etc...

Secondly if the committee has a budget for contest payouts and they decide to pay each category the same per place then the amount for each place is significantly decreased. So instead of $1,000 or $1,500 for first place you get more like $600.

The only powwows that I would say are doing it just to be "cheap" are the ones hosted and or funded by casinos, for obvious reasons.
Ok, I totally understand the whole, (we payed to get here, lodging, food, ect..) reasoning however, it is a "Dance" contest not, a "who spent the most money to get here" contest. I know for a fact that, that is why the adults get more in prize money. I just don't think that is should be reasoning for differences in prize money for a "dance" contest.

Take a singing contest for example, when we go to a powwow to enter a singing contest, if there is a youth group entered as well, they don't say "well, since your kids, if you win, we are only paying you $1000 instead of the $5000 prize money that we would give to adult groups"...see what i'm saying? Its a "singing" contest not a "how old are you".

Just my two dirty pennies. I just think if, the kids dance(participate) just as much as the adults, they pay should be equal. since after all, its suppose to be a dance contest.
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Take a singing contest for example, when we go to a powwow to enter a singing contest, if there is a youth group entered as well, they don't say "well, since your kids, if you win, we are only paying you $1000 instead of the $5000 prize money that we would give to adult groups"...see what i'm saying? Its a "singing" contest not a "how old are you".

Just my two dirty pennies. I just think if, the kids dance(participate) just as much as the adults, they pay should be equal. since after all, its suppose to be a dance contest.
That and your other statements are all valid points.

The singing / drum competitions as not set up in age categories. Sometimes they are by Northern, Southern, etc. Politics and favoritism aside, they are based solely on talent...

If they wanted to treat everyone equal without regards to age, then when they call for, example, a grass dance then the teens and men (jr, sr, golden age...) would all have to head out to compete against each other. Most of the younger teens wouldn't stand a chance against someone with 10 or so years more experience. Otherwise you keep the categories separated by age and drop the payouts to a lower amount.

A side note: I know several big powwow people who when their kids win they take all but a small chunk of the money and put it into a savings account for when their kids are ready for college.
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A side note: I know several big powwow people who when their kids win they take all but a small chunk of the money and put it into a savings account for when their kids are ready for college.[/QUOTE]

yeah, I do that too only, I take a portion and let them do with it whatever they want and, the other portion goes into their outfits. example, I'm having a new roach made for my son since, he is growing out of his so, I took a portion of his prize money to put towards it and, i'll pay the rest. Just to help him understand how expensive it is and, he can take pride in know that he helped to pay for his own stuff. My daughter is a teen so, she automatically goes and buys material or beads or whatever she needs to make new stuff.
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You know if your kids got mad skills and they want the big bucks, than put them in adults. There isn't any rule against them dancing up. I see it all the time up on the plains. I know my parents started me dancing in adults early. I would take my number off and get my tiny tot money and than jump in men's fancy feather and show them how it was done!!
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You know if your kids got mad skills and they want the big bucks, than put them in adults. There isn't any rule against them dancing up. I see it all the time up on the plains. I know my parents started me dancing in adults early. I would take my number off and get my tiny tot money and than jump in men's fancy feather and show them how it was done!!
Thats Awesome!!

My daughter is in Teens and, I think thats right where she should be. My son is in Jr's but, I think he could dance in Teens however, I think its best to keep him coming up with the kids his age. They are just like the adults, they make friends in their catagory and all kinda hang out. There's times he wants to be in Teens for like, a special or something but, he'll be in Teens next year so, I told him to just hang out and, he'll get in it next year.

I'm not so much worried about the "big bucks" as much as, I just think it should be equal. They dance just as hard and, just as much as the adults where, I think they deserve to be equal. Same would go for Golden Age, they should be equal. Some powwows, the prize money for them is equal but, sometimes its less. Just don't seem right.

I know it'll probably never change but, I just think its worth mentioning.
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Big $$$ for Men's Fancy, for a late Sunday afternoon contest, with number checks per session, is paying to play: committees just consider it ante to draw dancers. (If Jr. Boys Traditional was the draw, they'd get paid the big bucks, instead.)

At some point, powwows became pony shows using people.
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That true to an extent. I think the idea of compitition is fun as long as, at the end of the day, every one still has fun. When competing in the singing contests, alot of times we are in compitition with our friends and, regardless of the outcome, we are still bros afterward. When my kids dance in a contest, I always remind them that, to remember to dance for the enjoyment of it and, if they happen to place, that is just icing on the cake. To remember that, they didn't start dancing to contest, they started dancing because they enjoyed it.
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the reason why adults get more is cuz they are the ones bringing their families and what not, not teenagers. there will always be more adults at powwows than teenagers, so most powwows will put the prize money more higher than teens to ATTRACT the adults, hence specials and what not.
As far as the drum thing, most drum contests are across the board with the age thing regardless of how old you are. I have seen "youth drum" competitions before, but its mostly specials that, that happens.
I hear your points, but thinking that teens deserve just as much as adults do, you might as well say kids deserve the same treatment. Do 7-12 yr olds deserve $1000.00 1st place like adults? no way. If kids are making that kind of coin at a powwow, then the adults will most likely be jacked up to 3-4000.00 1st place.
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Heres a novel idea... Why not just teach our kids to dance.... to dance... Not for the money...TO DANCE...
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There are many angles to this situation -

Contest powwows need to attract the best of the best, that means some adult dancers have to take time off from work, or arrange child care so they can attend a powwow.

Generally, teens have the weekends off from school. They might have other obligations, but most have open weekends.

I've seen some awesome teen dancers, and sometimes the most energy during Grand Entry and Inter-tribals comes from the teen dancers.

Well...all of the Adults are former teens, LOL so the teens are just paying their dues for now.
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Wow. Won't be long before teens start sneaking into the Senior category because they're soo talented.
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Wow. Won't be long before teens start sneaking into the Senior category because they're soo talented.
That's happened for years.
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That's sad. No respect for the elders. A little over a hundred years and we lost soo much of who we are. tsk tsk tsk
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I see it as:

First, the adults deserve more money because, in general, they are the ones that put out the money for the trip to whatever powwow - you know gas, food, hotel, car maintenance, etc...

Secondly if the committee has a budget for contest payouts and they decide to pay each category the same per place then the amount for each place is significantly decreased. So instead of $1,000 or $1,500 for first place you get more like $600.

The only powwows that I would say are doing it just to be "cheap" are the ones hosted and or funded by casinos, for obvious reasons.
I totally agree. Contest money is divided fairly.
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