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Old 10-25-2005, 03:45 PM   #41
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There really isn't enough being said on the other Dine bashing thread so " vincej" created this thread to have more'n one place to create controversy.

I got a plan. Quit creating threads on this subject and let it die. What's the big deal anyways?

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Thanks a lot Iceman, just when this thread is just about to float over to the second page and into oblivion, you had to bring it back to the top of the list.

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It is not new knowledge that the Navajo people are known for taking over other people's way of life and capitalizing on it. Do they even know what is theirs? One thing for sure is for them it is about money, not a way of life...if it wasn't for the Navajo some powwows would not have made non-Indians rich and laughing all the way to the bank! Another thing...it is so disgusting to hear navajos sing our songs WRONG! Also, they wear more eagle feathers than an eagle....disgusting! Do they even know what they are doing, and how they look! I think they should stick to their own songs and dances-they have a beautiful culture,why do they want ours? I think in this matter there is a distinction between Dine and Navajo. Dine must believe in their way of life, Navajos must not know who they are......
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It is not new knowledge that the Navajo people are known for taking over other people's way of life and capitalizing on it. Do they even know what is theirs? One thing for sure is for them it is about money, not a way of life...if it wasn't for the Navajo some powwows would not have made non-Indians rich and laughing all the way to the bank! Another thing...it is so disgusting to hear navajos sing our songs WRONG! Also, they wear more eagle feathers than an eagle....disgusting! Do they even know what they are doing, and how they look! I think they should stick to their own songs and dances-they have a beautiful culture,why do they want ours? I think in this matter there is a distinction between Dine and Navajo. Dine must believe in their way of life, Navajos must not know who they are......
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Why should we make the Navajos feel like they're on the outside looking in when there are other tribes with more notoriety and less authenticity. As for the feeling that Navajos are snobby, maybe we should approach them with a smile for a smile in return, no?
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Why should we make the Navajos feel like they're on the outside looking in when there are other tribes with more notoriety and less authenticity. As for the feeling that Navajos are snobby, maybe we should approach them with a smile for a smile in return, no?
Very good point!
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Why should we make the Navajos feel like they're on the outside looking in when there are other tribes with more notoriety and less authenticity. As for the feeling that Navajos are snobby, maybe we should approach them with a smile for a smile in return, no?
If you smile at me, I'll smile back.....(after I look all around to make sure your not smiling at someone else. LOL)
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It is not new knowledge that the Navajo people are known for taking over other people's way of life and capitalizing on it. Do they even know what is theirs? One thing for sure is for them it is about money, not a way of life...if it wasn't for the Navajo some powwows would not have made non-Indians rich and laughing all the way to the bank! Another thing...it is so disgusting to hear navajos sing our songs WRONG! Also, they wear more eagle feathers than an eagle....disgusting! Do they even know what they are doing, and how they look! I think they should stick to their own songs and dances-they have a beautiful culture,why do they want ours? I think in this matter there is a distinction between Dine and Navajo. Dine must believe in their way of life, Navajos must not know who they are......

Why would you even want to start this all over again? Is your own culture and tradition so little and watered down that you have to be jeolous, resentful, and hateful. We Navajo do have a beautiful culture as you pointed out. That culture is not a powwow. Hozhoji is practiced in our whole life. We don't just wake up and say "Oh, today I'm going to be a Pawnee, because I'm wearing a pawnee dress." We are still Navajo underneath all of our clothes.

Tribal communities have been "adopting" each others culture for many, many centuries. People are always talking about so-and-so tribe started this. We are not isolated pods all living independently. The creation of "Indian Territory" and transporting NDN kids to boarding schools was a catelist for alot of this "adoption"

Why is there such resentment? Many Navajos, who use others tribes dances and songs, have been given the right to use them. So why does that make you angry and hateful. I'll admit, there are some Navajos who take without proper instruction them misuse it. But does that give you or ANYONE the right to hate a whole tribe of people, including those people properly given that right.

It does seem to be about money. Because a lot more Navajo's win it, using your songs or clothes, and your don't like it. If you don't like it, then you get out there and do it right and do it better! No one is stopping you, but you.
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Hey Ettarena or whoever you are, you sound extremely arrogant. It doesn't matter if you were "given" the right, you are still and always will be doing it all wrong. Don't you get it? You are Navajo so stick to that. It sounds more like you hate yourself and are definately not practicing Hozho by admitting how you take and exploit which is what Shag is saying. We have been to sorry a** pow-wows in the SW and know that this is where you learned everything all wrong. We are doing things in the arena the right way, we know our songs and dances and even designs, we've been brought up this way, so it doesn't matter if you think you are better or you're taking all the money, inside you know that you are wrong. You're just a taker.
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I remember smiling at Judy Daisy one time, boy was she a looker!
what about Jill Chee?? Josie Nez?? I'm sure they'll love to be smiled at!!!
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what about Jill Chee?? Josie Nez?? I'm sure they'll love to be smiled at!!!
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What about you, will you smile back?
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Gawwwwwwleeeeee...... just off the computer for not even a couple of weeks and look what happens!!! LOL. Dammit Tiyo and Teez....I thought I told ya to take care of these kids here. Gonna have to take ya both out back and whip ya senseless with gamma's day old naneeskaadi!!! hahaha.

Man......lots of panties in a bundle here. I think we should make a lil lable to go in our regalia :

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ayeeeeee. Well we all know this world is judgemental, jealous, and greedy. And it didn't begin with the inhabitation of the white people but in our own back yards within our own tribes. There are people within our own families and tribes who have different view points, opinions, etc. However, like others have said.... we are all one. Its all about being human. Things will evolve and change and then change and evolve again. Nothing is going to stay the same or concrete forever. We didn't have the powwow commandments etched in stone any where, so peeps just chill out. We all have to stick together to survive and to survive in a world that has such anomosity towards us Natives. We have to teach our own children how to deal with all this. But if we sit here and bicker about whats ours and theirs on the internet man we all have to take a step back and look at our own selves. What is the most important things is teaching our children how to keep our traditions, culture, and learnings sacred. However, we all have to accept how much powwow has evolved and changed within its own self. I can't say powwow is going to be the same by the time my little one is 20. Shoot for all we know we might have interactive powwows and laser shows. LOL. We can't control how this is going to evolve but we can control what we teach our young ones. As long as traditions survive in their hearts then our sacred dances, etc will all be okay. What is going to kill and hurt us if we don't grow with the change. Don't just sit back and judge someone thinking they don't have the right to wear or dance something, if they do something wrong get up and show them the right way. If you don't speak up then don't come online and ***** about it...hahah. Well ya know what I mean.

And if you want to bash Navajo's .....well dammit bash on Tiyo and Teez cuz they need some good ole fashioned beatings by now......

****their gamma's called me and told me they need some whippins.....hahah....kiddin.
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I may be getting in over my head here, but, here goes. I have taken 3 years of Navajo language classes (still can't hold a conversation) and am in my 2nd year of a Dine' culture class. I wear my different pow wow, navajo, native shirts, have a navajo plate on my car and wear an eagle feather (small silver one) necklace. I even had a KTNN sticker on my last car. Why? As a show of respect. I'm not trying to be a navajo or steal their look or what have you. That is how I show my respect, support, and admiration for the people. If you can take something from someone and present it in a respectful manner, then that's cool. Like where this thread started, with the Cozads and Black Lodge showing their respect for each other. I take what I learn from the dine' and all natives for that matter, and make it a part of me to better myself. But I am quick to point out where I got it from. It's staggering the amount of ignorance there is toward native people. I'll share my teachings with anyone who'll listen. I've been going to pow wows for 3 years now and I still have a lot to learn. But I know a good dancer when I see one and a good song when I hear one. Would I like to know where these dances and songs originated? Sure. It doesn't stop me from enjoying them if I don't though. I never really got the inter-tribal jealousy thing (that's where I'm in over my head). The pow wow culture is really cool and something that does the soul good. I feel all the tension just lift right off when I hear that first song. I encounter the "pow wow snobs" too, I guess, but I usually figure it's cause I'm white (but I don't like to admit it). If I run across 5 of my friends or no one, I still love being there. For something that uplifting, shouldn't everyone just be checking their colors at the door?
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