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Old 03-08-2007, 08:34 AM   #41
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Northern Buckskin Question...

I have a question if I may, since the subject seems to be correctness of dress's , my question is it deemed ok to wear a cloth applique top ,wearing a buckskin skirt and dance/ contest in the nothern buckskin catergory? Ive seen many do it and always wondered how that was considered nothern buckskin since the only buckskin on it was the skirt and fringe????
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Old 03-08-2007, 11:31 AM   #42
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Well as far as GON is concerned, it is not ok. You have to have a beaded buckskin dress with buckskin skirt/fringe etc. Otherwise you're considered cloth.
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Another few questions.

Cloth thread? Sinew? Artificial sinew or real?

Buckskin panties or cloth? Nylon or polyester? No panties?

Will judges check?
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Well as far as GON is concerned, it is not ok. You have to have a beaded buckskin dress with buckskin skirt/fringe etc. Otherwise you're considered cloth.
that makes sence thanks for anwsering
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Another few questions.

Cloth thread? Sinew? Artificial sinew or real?

Buckskin panties or cloth? Nylon or polyester? No panties?

Will judges check?
Im a nateral kinda gal id have to say no panties lol
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Another few questions.

Cloth thread? Sinew? Artificial sinew or real?

Buckskin panties or cloth? Nylon or polyester? No panties?

Will judges check?
No buckskin panties with ultrasuede dresses- if you want to avoid the dreaded "panty line"!
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No buckskin panties with ultrasuede dresses- if you want to avoid the dreaded "panty line"!
Here's a thought Buckskin thong?
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Here's a thought Buckskin thong?
That would definetly be heck to keep clean.
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That would definetly be heck to keep clean.
huummmm wonder if they have a thong clayball?
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Another few questions.

Cloth thread? Sinew? Artificial sinew or real?

Buckskin panties or cloth? Nylon or polyester? No panties?

Will judges check?

Maybe this would constitute the only legal use of those perv sticks with mirrors on the end. LOL

GON could market them for sale on their website.....
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Gathering of Nations Dancer Rules

Well you know it is a well known fact that many of the big powwows around native country, have been known to pick dancers as judges but these judges only pick their friends and dancers that are running a powwow they plan on attending and this is really unfair to the really good dancers that travel around and are not even recognized for their awesome dancing abilitys and this happens more often than anyone wants to admit, for example Denver March Powwow does this, Shokopee does this, the cali powwows do this, Gathering of Nations does this, Hinkley does this, Prairie Island does this, St. Croix Wisconsin does this, Schetmitzin over does this, Ft. Belknap does this, and this list could go on for a long time, but a few that don't alow this unpopular type of judgeing to happen is United tribes, White Sheild, Oglala Lakota Nation, Black Hills powwow in Rapid City SD, Rosebud powwow(aug), Rosebud Casino Powwow, Lower Brule powwow, Ft. Washakie powwow, just a few examples of these powwows that pick their judges from the audience, but also pick the ones that are tribal members of that respected powwow where it's being held, at alot of these powwows you could see alot of people that go to these events to watch the dancers and say if i could judge i would pick that one dancer who is very good, but because he or she doesn't know anyone of the head judges they are not going to win, but you allways see these dancers travel to these powwows because they love to dance and winning isn't everything, that love of dancing comes through loud and clear, DANCERS AS JUDGES DOESN'T WORK, WHEN ARE THESE POWWOW COORDINATORS GOING TO GET THE MESSAGE!!!!!.
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I'm always very thankful when I'm lucky enough to win. There are many factors that come into play before the final winners are announced.
Factors determining winners.....

Judges are sometimes picked by the arena director, sometimes by the head judge, sometimes by the committee. Some judges have very little experience and don't know what to look for or how to prioritize the criteria. Some judges are picked because they are a friend or relative of the AD or head judge regardless of qualifications. Sometimes alternate judges are selected in case the initial can't judge can't judge and sometimes even the "alternators" can't judge so the AD or head judge just randomly picks any o' Joe Schmo from the audience (no offense JD & Colonah...hu!hu!). Sometimes a judge is related to the dancer......man! some people have no shame ennit??

Even if a dancer is lucky enough to get picked by the judges they must make it past the tabulators....if the tabulator doesn't like you, is dishonest and unsupervised ---ur outta luck!

At some pow-wow the winners have to make it past two other obstacles. After the winners are tallied some committees will go thru and make their final selections, and throw the judges ballots "out the window".

The final gate....the MC. On rare occasion the MC has been known to switch the final results in the last waning moments of the pow-wow.....when everyone is half awake...sometimes just b4 sunrise.

Once again.....when I'm lucky enough to win.....I'm REAL thankful.
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I'm always very thankful when I'm lucky enough to win. There are many factors that come into play before the final winners are announced.
Factors determining winners.....

Judges are sometimes picked by the arena director, sometimes by the head judge, sometimes by the committee. Some judges have very little experience and don't know what to look for or how to prioritize the criteria. Some judges are picked because they are a friend or relative of the AD or head judge regardless of qualifications. Sometimes alternate judges are selected in case the initial can't judge can't judge and sometimes even the "alternators" can't judge so the AD or head judge just randomly picks any o' Joe Schmo from the audience (no offense JD & Colonah...hu!hu!). Sometimes a judge is related to the dancer......man! some people have no shame ennit??

Even if a dancer is lucky enough to get picked by the judges they must make it past the tabulators....if the tabulator doesn't like you, is dishonest and unsupervised ---ur outta luck!

At some pow-wow the winners have to make it past two other obstacles. After the winners are tallied some committees will go thru and make their final selections, and throw the judges ballots "out the window".

The final gate....the MC. On rare occasion the MC has been known to switch the final results in the last waning moments of the pow-wow.....when everyone is half awake...sometimes just b4 sunrise.

Once again.....when I'm lucky enough to win.....I'm REAL thankful.
same sentiment here. when i'm lucky enough to win...im real thankful.
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That would definetly be heck to keep clean.
Dang.....this brought back memories from pws.com from way back!

'member Jibby talking about her "Gotch-Guard" for thongs.

LMAO!!

Dang, didn't take long for the ladies to turn this into a NC-17 rated thread.

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The rules blow chunks! Make EVERYONE dance within their own age defined category...nuff said.

I think Derrick and Lita are millionaires. I ain't gonna be all coy and sh!t about it.....they flat out make bank at this powwow!! Admission goes to what? Vendors fees? Concessionaires? Recording and picture taking fees? (Do they have them now?) I mean, c'mon.....all the help there is practically students, or volunteers. I know, some would argue that the books are open to viewing and that as things go, I'm sure it all looks good on paper, but, someone's makin some money off this deal. ...hell, I would! LOL!!!

Is it a good powwow? ....as powwows go, I think it's days, it's BEST days, are over. It's just a dog and pony show, where the powwow taken a back seat to the flute player, the bird dancers/singers, the hip hop artists, political so and so's that pop into sway or to try to pull the indian vote, indian movie stars who are basically one timers... or are struggling. I mean, yeah, I GUESS it's okay to see em, but, dang, to take up time to let them BS on the mic?

I mean, Eddie Spears was at Denver March last year.....didn't hear a peep outta the guy, just did his thing, had his bevy of dark haired ndn females in tow.....but, he kept to himself, didn't try to run up to the mic and get a few points in, or make his entrance. Gotta respect that...hell, he even judged a few dance categories!

Then you've got that thing goin on in Powwow Alley.....what's up with the damn snake oil and herb vendors? Get that crap outta there! Or make them pay DOUBLE!!

The tent should be for REAL POWWOW related things, supplies, folks selling regalia, or at least giving demonstrations or tips on how to do stuff.

....or throw up a Pws Dot Com's FINEST Kissin' Booth or something. aye!

.....or a "Pose with Superndngyrl in her Pope Crown for $5" booth aye!

Naw seriously though.


I remember GON from like.....1990 something or other, early ninties. The vendors were off the hook! Beads, buckskin, furs, drums, you name it!! Hell, there was a table on one side up top that was about 30 or 40 ft long, COVERED with beaded belts.....what happened to that?

Now it's all this, and I'm not ashamed to say it either......my Eff'd up, deranged, URBAN Navajo people who are there selling stuff that has ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE AT A POWWOW!!!!

Sh!t!! Save that crap for the flea market!

someone start up a petition to get GON to improve it's Vendors. I mean, it's like you've got t-shirts with wolves all over the damned place, and kookie crap like sticks with animal skulls and furry tails all over the damned place!

Dang...it's starting to look like a powwow from Mississippi or North Carolina!!
BUH!!


....no offense to the legitimate powwower's from those regions.....just an observation I made when in the area.

Then you've got nut jobs coming up and asking questions to dancers like " Excuse me. Where do the Cherokees gather at?" ....my bro-in -law tells them, it's over by the chain link fence near the rear entrance, and to spread the word. ...then later on, you go outside and there's like 20 or 30 of them standing around with their wolf shirts, head bands, and knee high kaibab mocs on, with their deer skull topped walking sticks.
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Oh yeah........for all my hatin.



Yeah. I'll be there LMAO!!!!!

Donating my $31 entry fee to support the Mathew's 2007 Summer Powwow Escapades and 2007 Christmas shopping spree.

Dang, I sound all jealous!! .....well, kinda......I mean, heck, I wish I had thought of it first! LMAO!


To the Navajos out there.....TRY to restrain yourselves when you're there, don't get all Johner on the rest of us, some of us, we got reps to keep up, we don't wanna be having to talk down some comments by the visiting tribal groups who incessantly have to point out the boo boos. LMAO!!

...i'm jokin yall.

Oh yeah.

Tell the Pueblows to quite trying to pass off that whole wheat, commod fry bread as the real deal!!


My 300+ pound body requires processed, bleached, flour. aye!

.....no vegetable oil too! .....they got trans fats! LOL.

.....stick with the lard.........it's healthier?
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okay you've made me laugh. dang you just hatin'!!! but it was still a good read, thanx!
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To the Navajos out there.....TRY to restrain yourselves when you're there, don't get all Johner on the rest of us, some of us, we got reps to keep up, we don't wanna be having to talk down some comments by the visiting tribal groups who incessantly have to point out the boo boos. LMAO!!
Geez Mr. BJ, did you get it all off your chest now? Do you feel all better? LOL

I especially agree with this portion of your tirade.....
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Geez Mr. BJ, did you get it all off your chest now? Do you feel all better? LOL

I especially agree with this portion of your tirade.....

I'm just gettin started!! aye!!


So, what? No more comments on the Dance Rules?


I'm curious what the REAL HARD LINER CONTEST FoLKS have to say.

...heck, some of em were SO GOOD....they jumped an age category when they were in their teens, or when they were 'tweens'.

LOL

Seriously though, there's some righteously talented dancers coming up fast, heck, I'm scared!! aye!!

Talented little spuds and spudette's.......I'm all for it. Keeps the winners on their toes.
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I responded to this last week...Yes we are using some UNM student judges. However there are 11 judges per contest. Our head judge will select 6 and the other 5 are from the students..We had 39 students sign up. From that we selected 20. As it turns out most of them have pow wow experience....In total Gathering of Nation uses over 700 judges...This is an attempt to make and keep the dance contest at the Gathering of Nations fair to all dancers....This is the founding objective of the Gathering of Nations Pow Wow....On the GON web site www.gatheringofnations.com in the pow wow section and in the newsletter we have made available our statement on fairness. As I told the others who started this issue, I have no favorites at GON. My favorite dancers are busy working so that others can have a good time...We want everyone who attends to have a good time and feel as though they had a fair chance to win, no matter who they are....I hope that all dancers also would be interested in dancing in a fair contest. At least we are trying to keep politics and favoritism out of the contest....GON is to big for us not to care about fairness. Gathering of Nations is a great event and the dancing and singing contest is the primary focus.
We are always open to creative and constructive suggestions. Many times we have implemented those ideas...But destructive critcisim is only to tear down the event by an ugly few....or those who fear an honest challenge.
Also what is so wrong with including the Native Students at the University of New Mexico? And giving them serious responsibilities in the arena! They are not babies or dummies!
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