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Old 11-30-2009, 03:53 PM   #1
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Indio Winners

In case anyone is wondering, here's some winners from Indio:

Southern Straight
Place Contestant
5th Barry Brown
4th Sean Spicer
3rd Lewis Perkikns
2nd Shude Victors
1st Ronnie Goodeagle Jr

No Fancy
Place Contestant
5th Fabian Phoenix
4th Chaske Hemingger
3rd Jerry Cleveland Jr
2nd Darrell Hill
1st Kenny Pratt Jr

So Fancy
Place Contestant
5th Quanah Henry
4th Amos Yazzie III
3rd JR Lonelodge
2nd Isaiah Bob
1st Dwight WhiteBuffalo

Grass
Place Contestant
5th Joseph Baldwin
4th Clifton Goodwill
3rd Wesley Windy Boy
2nd Adam Nordwall
1st Julias Not Afraid

Golden Age Women Northern
Place Contestant
5th Edith Yazzie
4th Maryann Patrick
3rd Nita Track
2nd Virgie Tsosie
1st Lillian Goodeagle

Golden Age Women Sourthern
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5th Pauline Hadley
4th Julia Roubideaux
3rd Annie Begay
2nd Dolores Goodeagle
1st Charlene Cozad

Golden Age Men Northern
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5th Mark Roanhorse
4th Greg Red Elk
3rd Sarge Old Horn
2nd Darrell Goodwill
1st Norman Largo

Golden Age Men Sourthern
Place Contestant
5th Paul Stewart
4th Allenroy Pay-Kwin
3rd Tommy Draper
2nd Gary Koshiway
1st Ronald D Goodeagle

Southern Buckskin
Place Contestant
5th Raetava Yazzie
4th Jessica Whiteshield
3rd Keri Jhane NoiseCat
2nd Laurie Whitecloud
1st Dalynn Alley

Northern Stationary
Place Contestant
5th J'shen Tsosie
4th Maurissa Two Two
3rd Grace Pushetonequa
2nd Lisa LittleIron
1st Delamarina OneFeather

Southern Cloth
Place Contestant
5th Kelly Redhouse
4th Angela Butler
3rd Leah McGurk Brown
2nd Amy No Ear
1st Ponka-We Victors

Northern Walk Around
Place Contestant
5th Vikki Joe
4th Ruby McArthur
3rd Lark Real Bird Paz
2nd Jacinta Tsosie
1st Summer Baldwin




Fancy
Place Contestant
5th Desirae Redhouse
4th Urseloria Kanuho
3rd Rose Track
2nd Verna Street
1st Bobbi Lynn Pratt

Jingle
Place Contestant
5th Celeste McGurk
4th Jovelle Pacheco
3rd Henrietta Scalplock
2nd Candace McCabe
1st Leah Orneasoo
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Who by the way also won the drum contest! And it's no wonder about that....considering that whoever was controlling the sound system only cranked the volume up to MAXIMUM every time they sang. And if they don't think nobody noticed.................! And by the way, there were 'judges' sitting up in the audience around the arena who were judging the drums on how loud they sounded! Hmmmmm......
But don't get me wrong, Young Bird sounded good, but how obvious can you get???????
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Who by the way also won the drum contest! And it's no wonder about that....considering that whoever was controlling the sound system only cranked the volume up to MAXIMUM every time they sang. And if they don't think nobody noticed.................! And by the way, there were 'judges' sitting up in the audience around the arena who were judging the drums on how loud they sounded! Hmmmmm......
But don't get me wrong, Young Bird sounded good, but how obvious can you get???????
This sounds like the sound guy didn't position the mic(s) accordingly to the actual sound the group was generating ... or that he didn't adjust the volumn on the mixer to compensate the high volumn some singing groups make. I know this from experience and Young Bird just naturally sounds very LOAD. The only thing you can do is either position the mic or adjust the mixer volume. One just can't keep the volumn level the same for all the singing groups.
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This sounds like the sound guy didn't position the mic(s) accordingly to the actual sound the group was generating ... or that he didn't adjust the volumn on the mixer to compensate the high volumn some singing groups make. I know this from experience and Young Bird just naturally sounds very LOAD. The only thing you can do is either position the mic or adjust the mixer volume. One just can't keep the volumn level the same for all the singing groups.
Nope, it was cranked up! You could only tell the difference between them singing and the other drum groups! And everybody was commenting on that...how you couldn't even think when YB was singing, it was sooooo loud! I know YB is loud, but I also know some of those other drum groups are loud too, but this was ridiculous! AND I won't mention who the sound people were.....but everybody knew who it was!!
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Nope, it was cranked up! You could only tell the difference between them singing and the other drum groups! And everybody was commenting on that...how you couldn't even think when YB was singing, it was sooooo loud! I know YB is loud, but I also know some of those other drum groups are loud too, but this was ridiculous! AND I won't mention who the sound people were.....but everybody knew who it was!!
Ok, I believe you.

Bet that left your ears ringing long after.
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Who by the way also won the drum contest! And it's no wonder about that....considering that whoever was controlling the sound system only cranked the volume up to MAXIMUM every time they sang. And if they don't think nobody noticed.................! And by the way, there were 'judges' sitting up in the audience around the arena who were judging the drums on how loud they sounded! Hmmmmm......
But don't get me wrong, Young Bird sounded good, but how obvious can you get???????
I helped a vendor friend pack up, and visited a local friend recovering from surgery, and then drove back to San Diego later Sunday night....and worked at 8:00 AM next morning... I don't know if I should trust my memory, LOL.

I claim to be neutral on this matter. Were all the mikes the same brand and condition? Any other equipment factors?

Midnight Express sounded pretty loud, also. Yeah, the mixer board seemed unattended a bit...I sat above it for a while...White Tail could be heard from other side...I dunno...

I did see them bring a fresh microphone out to the drum on northwest corner (name ?), so somebody was actively working the sound issues.
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well im the one who did the sound there and my name is dale roberts.. now for the people who are whinning why don't you post your name on here, or are you just going to ***** behind the keyboard! i keep the sound level the same for everyone and it's not my fault that some drums are louder the other drums.. wayne ran the drum contest and during one judging round he ask me to use one mic and drop the level to half and keep it that same level for the judges to prove who was louder. and worm came over to ask what was happening with the sound levels during that round, and told him what wayne had requested, and he understood..as for leaving the mixing board alone someone was always there, we was in the back and i dont know how you can see back there, cause it was dark were i was sitting at.. now for the fresh mic.. i hope you are not that dumb, and realize the batteries do need to be changed...duh, if you have a problem about the sound why don't you be a man and come and see me, next time... i do sound for lots of powwows all over and i have no complaints... that makes me wonder if you are a real powwow person or a local who stay local... i know i sound upset right now, and i'm so sorry if i come across bold... i try to be fair with everyone but if you do have a problem i wish you would come and see me about it and not hide behind a computer and jump my case. next time come and see me... so we can resolve this in person.....
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sounds to me that ta'neeszahnii techno, is after sneek a peeks job, i remember last year at ft. macdowel he had problems with his stuff, sound cuttin out, and slow gettin to the drums... heck we all know nobodys perfect... everybody makes mistakes... everybody has there own way of setting up there sound and controlling it.... can't we all just get along, and quite finding stuff to complain about...
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sounds to me that ta'neeszahnii techno, is after sneek a peeks job, i remember last year at ft. macdowel he had problems with his stuff, sound cuttin out, and slow gettin to the drums... heck we all know nobodys perfect... everybody makes mistakes... everybody has there own way of setting up there sound and controlling it.... can't we all just get along, and quite finding stuff to complain about...
All I commented on was that either the mic was too close to the singers or the volume was not adjusted for the LOAD singing group. I don't know what made you come to the conclusion that I was after Sneek a Peek's job.

Like Sneek a Peek posted, not all the drum groups sound the same, some are extremely louder than others. That's one reason why you have to be fair to all and use the same model mics. Certainly, batteries will wear out time to time and they do have to be replaced, sometimes you do have to swap out mics if you're short on time.
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well im the one who did the sound there and my name is dale roberts.. now for the people who are whinning why don't you post your name on here, or are you just going to ***** behind the keyboard! i keep the sound level the same for everyone and it's not my fault that some drums are louder the other drums.. wayne ran the drum contest and during one judging round he ask me to use one mic and drop the level to half and keep it that same level for the judges to prove who was louder. and worm came over to ask what was happening with the sound levels during that round, and told him what wayne had requested, and he understood..as for leaving the mixing board alone someone was always there, we was in the back and i dont know how you can see back there, cause it was dark were i was sitting at.. now for the fresh mic.. i hope you are not that dumb, and realize the batteries do need to be changed...duh, if you have a problem about the sound why don't you be a man and come and see me, next time... i do sound for lots of powwows all over and i have no complaints... that makes me wonder if you are a real powwow person or a local who stay local... i know i sound upset right now, and i'm so sorry if i come across bold... i try to be fair with everyone but if you do have a problem i wish you would come and see me about it and not hide behind a computer and jump my case. next time come and see me... so we can resolve this in person.....
Dale, I apologize if you think I was attacking you. I was actually pointing out that you were working hard, replacing that mike (how could I know exactly what was wrong with it?).

My comment about the mixer does seem harsh, going back over it, but I meant that nobody was cranking it up during certain songs. I was in the bleachers right above. These are just my observations, taking no sides.

I had a great time getting to hear 8 different drums at one event, no matter what sound levels. Too bad it has to be a competition....

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it was a good one!

1st- Young Bird, 2nd-Midnite Express, 3rd-The Boyz, 4th-Cozad, 5th Pipestone Creek, 6th- Eyabay, 7th- Omaha WhiteTail. All in all for the Singing Contest, i think Wayne Silas did an awesome job, the pow wow was a good one, I sang with Pipestone Creek... and we all had a great weekend down in Indio, Young Bird sounded awesome they really did sound good, big ups to all the crews that were there.... everyone involved in the pow wow did a great job, the sound man, you did a good job... regardless everyones opinion on the "sound" situation, all the drums did a great job... Congrats to all the Winners and all who Participated! Have a Good One... HOKA!
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Reading about the sound got me to thinking.

I wasn't at Indio but rather Hamilton. I was asked to judge singing one session.

While I was judging, standing right next to the drums, I could definately tell who was singing well. It was pretty clear to me.

When I was on the dance floor or in the stands it seemed that all the drums sounded more even. It was harder to tell who was singing really well and who wasn't.

It was almost like the PA system levelled the playing field. Bringing down the really good singers and bringing up the less good singers.

Reminded me of some other pow wows where the PA system has made all the drums sound horrible.

So as far as judging goes, I don't think the PA makes a hill of beans of difference. The judges are standing right next to the drums and can really pick up on who is singing well. I don't think singers should fret about how the PA might affect the judges, because in my experience it doesn't. The PA does affect how the dancers and spectators hear things though, and that can take away from the enjoyment of hearing good singers.

Sound is a tough thing to manage at a pow wow and for those professionals out there that know what they are doing I always appreciate it. For those "got my speakers and system from the pawnshop to try and make some extra cash" guys, I ask committee's to not hire them. They suffer us all.
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Yeah, well everybody has their own opinions about what was going on.

So tell me what happened with the ladies southern buckskin? There was only 1 that apparently knew the difference between a straight song and a round dance song! And she ended up in 5th place???????????????? She should've been the automatic winner in my book, regardless of points! Those others should've gotten 0 points on that one! They all danced round dance, to a war dance song, almost thru the WHOLE song! Did anybody notice their looks of............HUH....isn't this a round dance???????? Even the judges weren't quite sure what to do! That has me baffled!!!!
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Awww, the sounds of a good competition powwow . . . discontent. Oh well, Congrat's to Youngbird, MNX, The Boyz, and my nischasak from Onion Lake, Sask Pipestone Creek. Sounds to me like there could have been nothing better than superb singing all the way around. The sound guys, all of yous do a great job! Keep it up and thanks. I know what it's like from back in the day when groups had to haul around their own P.A.'s. Congrat's to all the winners!
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lmao.....every powwow i've been to where mr. Robert's has worked the sound has been awesome!!....from a singer's stand point it sure helps to have a good sound man....as well as a good system....& I know for a fact that mr. Roberts has been doing sound for years & has mad knowledge on the techno tip....@ even remember a powwow way back in the day where he plugged about 3 or 4 groups system's together to get a "surround" sound effect cuz it was a huge arena....thats skills!!....neways keep up the good work mr. Roberts cuz you make me feel like a rockstar sometimes!! jk...& congrats to errbody there!!
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If its not the PA sound system guy,its the drum group whos not singing loud enough,not enough heart in their singing, tsk tsk tsk.



Dale Roberts been a PA guy for decades,across NDN country.
The states and Canada.
I remember him carrying those huge old skool equipment around.With a big ol smile on his face and his long braids LOL. Your doin a great job Dale,shake off the negativity.



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