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Old 10-04-2004, 11:15 AM   #1
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Kinder winners?

Someone post the winners please. Drums and gossip too if ya got it.
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I was there and I will post what I can remember(which is not a whole lot, it was a long day)
Womens:
Southern Buckskin:
1st Jackie Tsontekoy
2nd Tonya Moore
3rd Keri Jhane Myers
4th Toni Tsatoke

N/S Cloth:
1st Ponka-We Victors
2nd Yvonne Sadongei
3rd Laura Sage
4th Mia Cozad

Jingle:
1st:; Acosia Leighton
2nd: Rowena Roberts
3rd: Yolanda Poncho
(that was all, just three)

Fancy:
1st Josette Wawasac(spelling?)
2nd Lisa Ewalk-Noon
3rd: ?
4th ?

Golden Age Northern
1st T. T. Shields
2nd Maggie Black kettle
3rd: Mrs. Herman Logan
4th Mrs. Track

GA Southern Buckskin
1st Charlene Cozad
2nd Linda Tsontekoy
3rd Toni Tsatoke's mom
4th I think Joneda Sage (some kind of mix up on points or something, not too sure)

GA Cloth
1st Mable Cozad
2nd Charlotte McCurtain
3rd ?
4th ?

Yvette Ewalk's Side Step Special
Winner take all: Anna Mae Pushetonequa
she also won the golden age jingle/fancy

Mens:
Southern Fancy
'Micheal Roberts
?
Gabe Bullock
Harold Rogers

Northern Fancy
Doug Scholfield
Jerry Cleveland, Jr.
?
?

Old STyle tRadish:
Charley Hindsley
Donavon Abbey
?
Nathan Smith(he missed the first grand entry)

Contemporary
Gabe Cleveland
Dana Warrington
?
?

Grass
Rusty Gillette
Dale Roberts
?
Kyle Pacheco

Straight
Terry Tsotigh
Denny Medicinebird
Angelo Norman
Leonard Koshiway

Golden Age Straight
Lewis Cozad
Larry McCurtain
Vernon Harragarra
Darrel Moore

Pat Moore Special
Charley Hindsley(this was a good contest)
consolation Kevin Haywayhe, Norman Largo, Nathan Smith

singing:
Northern:
Little Eagle
StoneyCreek or Mountain anyways, from NC
The Bucks
?
Southern:
Southern Boys
Eagle Claw
just two drums
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I just to say congrats to my boys Stoney Creek!! and to Rowena Roberts and Toni Tsatoke... hope yall had fun at the powwow, i'm going to make it to this one day!! :)
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Who won in northern traditional? Did Jodi win?
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Sorry, forgot N. Traditional Women
1st Jodi Gillette
2nd?
3rd somebody Abbey
4th Justine MacArthur

I think a young lady in an orange beaded top was in second place, just can't really remember.

It was kind of small this year, alot of locals, thus alot of local winners but alot of Canadians were there too. Alot of good dancers were left out in the Men's Northern original and contemporary. Kevin Haywayhe placed, and he flat jammed though my vote was on Dana Warrington,(but I didn't get to judge, haha)
Marilyn Mountain and Nathan Smith missed the first grand entry, so Marilyn did not place in golden age, but nathan got in at the end of original.
Not too many fancy dancers, northern and southern...just enough to fill the categories in most contests. Jingle was not even full. Cloth and Men's traditional were the biggest categories. That contemporary was a good contest, they were all jamming.
I think I heard that next year the committee is going to try to get the original staff, Dale, Jonathon, Rg, Wallace to come back. Hopefully that will bring the dancers back, because this pow wow used to be huge.
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WHo Else placed in the Northern singing contest???
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Word is this is a big "party" pow-wow, with the casino bar going full blast 24/7. The other big rumor is if you don't party your chances of winning are slim. That is the word on the trail and I know most have heard.

Let me ask this question, does a Dale, Wallace, RG and Jonathan really bring in the dancers?

I would think a fair judging pow-wow with a good payout would be the attraction.
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Yayyy Dana Warrington

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Well, rumors will be rumors. LOL Isn't just about every big contest pow wow a party pow wow. This is a Grand Casino pow wow and the bar is 24/7. I have been going there for about 9 years and I have never partied at the bar, but I have placed there several times.
As far as Jonathon, Rg, Wallace and Dale...when you bring in a arena staff that knows people from all tribes and areas, then you will have judges that know the different styles and how they are to be danced. As well as MC's that know the styles and the decorum for the different styles, what songs to ask for, etc. I feel more comfortable with an arena staff who is from different areas of the US and who travel and know the arena than when you come to a pow wow that has local staff. When you have local staff, they are going to pick local judges, therefore you get local winners. How fair is that to the people that have traveled from out of state or from another area of the country to compete?
Not just Jonathon and RG but any arena directors that are knowledgeable of the dances and the arena is a good idea.
That goes for any pow wow, isn't safe to say that when you see a flyer that you will decide whether you want to go to compete by looking at the head staff? That goes for any area of indian country, not just Kinder, but anywhere.
This is a good pow wow and they are very, very hospitable to their guests. To label this pow wow as a party pow wow is not fair because I have been to several pow wows throughout indian country and if you wanted put that sort of label on a pow wow...it could fit anywhere.
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Word is this is a big "party" pow-wow, with the casino bar going full blast 24/7. The other big rumor is if you don't party your chances of winning are slim. That is the word on the trail and I know most have heard.
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First of all, congratulations to all the winners. Now my comments on the pow wow. I agree with sltate's comments that "just about every big contest pow wow a party pow wow." But judging from the list of winners at this year's pow wow, I think a majority of them don't party. There might be a "few" who do like to do that sort of thing but I'd say that the party hearty gang weren't there this year (guess they all went to Parker, AZ), just kidding. But I do agree with boiled meat's observation on partying. In the past few years, those that do party have a tendancy to win the top prize. My thinking is that if you have a good head judging staff, they would and should pick judges that don't go out and party. But then it's hard to break the "vicious" cycle (same old judges picking their friends). I'm waiting for the day when judges actually pick dancers on their dancing ability and not by who they know or drink with.
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Who won the Abby's Chicken Dance special?
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Who Was All the DRUMS at Kinder This year?? aNy goooood Ones?? loooks like there was a couple good ones there.... who were the drums that didnt place??
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Congrats to Dana W and tha Bucks!!!

Also Congrats to all the other winners!
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Talking

the ones that placed in my uncles special was
#1 Rusty Gillette
#2 Dana Warrington
#3 Nathan Largo

and 3 consolations!! it was a pretty good special!!!All types of songs for them to dance too!!
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correction in the drum contest: kingbird took third and the bucks got fourth.
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The young lady in the orange beaded top is Allison LaPlante.
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I'll agree to some extent what sltate reply to me was. Points are vaild, I dunno about the MC's making that much of an impact, AD's yeah on the fairness, IF they don't have a Northern or Southern Head Judges. But I know what yer saying.

But far too many times have I heard leading up to this pow-wow is "it's tough to crack the winners circle if your not part of the partying bunch". I know their is that other part that goes if your not in with the pow-wow circle its hard too. As alot of them travel with each other.

oh well......
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I think I heard that next year the committee is going to try to get the original staff, Dale, Jonathon, Rg, Wallace to come back. Hopefully that will bring the dancers back, because this pow wow used to be huge.
No, I don't think they'll be on head staff next year. Sorry to say you must've heard wrong. I think the head staff this year did an excellent job with the powwow- Roy Track, Sammy White, & Daniel Tramper were very detail oriented and the judges did pretty well, the turnout was alot better than expected with alot of first-timers (considering other big powwows going on). Dancers don't depend entirely on who the head staff will be, it's the money that will bring them in.
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