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Old 01-27-2013, 03:39 PM   #1
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Making alcohol inebriation a disqualifier from powwow events. Why don't major powwow events make this a rule, I know it is a rule in some powwows I just think it should be a rule for all. Don't know how many times I've been to a powwow and stayed at the same hotel as some of these disrespectful dancers/singers. My last encounter had a very talented fancy dancer at my door with her pants half way down and her bra hanging at her waist. And the next day she placed first with a $800 purse.
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What are you proposing to do? Make people pee in a cup to see if any alcohol has been in their system before they perform?

I mean if this wasn't the same day as the dance, I don't even know if it would still be in her system...it obviously didn't hinder her dancing since she won.

It's her body on her time away from the powwow. It isn't anyone's business. If she bothered you by knocking on your door, call the hotel desk and have them ask her to be quiet. Problem solved.

Man, everyone wants to be a policeman these days.
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Making alcohol inebriation a disqualifier from powwow events. Why don't major powwow events make this a rule...
Because there would be no powwows.
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What are you proposing to do? Make people pee in a cup to see if any alcohol has been in their system before they perform?

I mean if this wasn't the same day as the dance, I don't even know if it would still be in her system...it obviously didn't hinder her dancing since she won.

It's her body on her time away from the powwow. It isn't anyone's business. If she bothered you by knocking on your door, call the hotel desk and have them ask her to be quiet. Problem solved.

Man, everyone wants to be a policeman these days.
"It's her body on her time away from the powwow. It isn't anyone's business. If she bothered you by knocking on your door, call the hotel desk and have them ask her to be quiet. Problem solved."
Is it? Is this the kind of thing we just turn away from? It's no wonder alcoholism is rampant among Natives.


So, day two at a three day powwow. Drunk dancer, half naked, is okay with you? Alot of people bring their children to powwows TRYING to teach them to respect the powwow circle or even the event in general and we got drunk dancers and singers... ugh. I guess things will only change for the worst as each year passes. So sad for an event that used to symbolize unity, culture and above all respect. "Everyone wants to be a policeman these days" what's wrong with that? Shoot, better than being the drunk I say.
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I stand by what I say. It is none of your business.

I have been in hotels with non-native conventions with white people acting worse that. Am I gonna call 3M and say, hey, one of your workers knocked on my door and she was drunk and improperly dressed?

No.

You likely are embarrassed because you are native and she is native and you worry about what others think...and you enjoy the family aspect of Powwows. And the knock on the door wasn't a "family moment." Well life isn't a Disney movie.

A person's sovereignty belongs to the person. She owns her own body and does with it whatever she wishes--that means she reaps the rewards and the benefits. Alcohol is not illegal. That woman did not hurt you...did not hurt any children and did not dance drunk at the powwow (or evidently didn't because she won).

It's only your business when she knocked on your door, and a quick call to complain at the front desk puts it out of your hands. Likely she had the wrong room, an honest mistake.
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It's only really a problem if they show up at the powwow drunk. Personally I don't know how anyone gets hammered during powwows only to have to get up early all hung over. I learned that lesson once, I got hammered at a party in college and then went to Schemitzun the next morning so hung over that I literally took half a bottle of Tums and actually slept through most of it in the stands. Worst weekend ever. LOL. It's kind of funny to watch people who you know were partying all night at the 49 come in the next morning looking rough as if they spent the night in a large dryer that was turned on.

The events can only really make rules that apply to the grounds they are being held on. For instance most places prohibit the sale, possession or consumption of booze on the powwow grounds. So yes if a dancer or singer comes in drunk or stinking of booze then yeah they may be subjected to being disqualified but what they do at night away from the powwow is ultimately their business... as long as they aren't doing anything illegal.
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Making alcohol inebriation a disqualifier from powwow events. Why don't major powwow events make this a rule, I know it is a rule in some powwows I just think it should be a rule for all. Don't know how many times I've been to a powwow and stayed at the same hotel as some of these disrespectful dancers/singers. My last encounter had a very talented fancy dancer at my door with her pants half way down and her bra hanging at her waist. And the next day she placed first with a $800 purse.
1. Stay at a different hotel.
2. Call the hotel manager.
3. Don't answer the door.
4. Realize you can't make rules for adults. It's not a school function, it's a pow wow.
5. Let it go, move on.
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My last encounter had a very talented fancy dancer at my door with her pants half way down and her bra hanging at her waist. And the next day she placed first with a $800 purse.
Maybe she was trying to earn extra bonus points, after all its a point system right, apparently she did as she won $800.00!


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Making alcohol inebriation a disqualifier from powwow events. Why don't major powwow events make this a rule, I know it is a rule in some powwows I just think it should be a rule for all. Don't know how many times I've been to a powwow and stayed at the same hotel as some of these disrespectful dancers/singers. My last encounter had a very talented fancy dancer at my door with her pants half way down and her bra hanging at her waist. And the next day she placed first with a $800 purse.
Or is it the fact that this individual could go out at night and get trashed and still dance better than you the next day in a hungover state? Jealous perhaps ???
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"It's her body on her time away from the powwow. It isn't anyone's business. If she bothered you by knocking on your door, call the hotel desk and have them ask her to be quiet. Problem solved."
Is it? Is this the kind of thing we just turn away from? It's no wonder alcoholism is rampant among Natives.


So, day two at a three day powwow. Drunk dancer, half naked, is okay with you? Alot of people bring their children to powwows TRYING to teach them to respect the powwow circle or even the event in general and we got drunk dancers and singers... ugh. I guess things will only change for the worst as each year passes. So sad for an event that used to symbolize unity, culture and above all respect. "Everyone wants to be a policeman these days" what's wrong with that? Shoot, better than being the drunk I say.
she wasn't at the powwow was she? She was at her motel room, or yours...and if it was anyone else, besides a dancer, what would you have done? Called security? called the front desk and complained? Complain. Complain and realize it doesn't matter who they are, what nationality they are, alcohol doesn't see race.

And as for drunk dancers and singers....there are people in the crowd that drink to. What about them? sighs...I'm honestly getting worked up over nothing. I never seen a powwow that wasn't about socializing. And that's what people do at powwows, is socialize. I see the good and the bad. I make sure my kids take notice. It all can't be whitewashed. And I'm not a police officer that has the time to notice every negative thing. If you can't see the good in something, then let it go...and possibly stay home.
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"If you can't see the good in something, then let it go...and possibly stay home. "

The good in being drunk? All I'm saying is if you're going to compete then you should hold yourself to a higher standard. Like other athletes in the world (of course athletes around the world do some fudge'd up things).

"...and possibly stay home." WTF! Suggesting I should stay home, I suggest they make a no-alcohol for contestants a rule at powwows. Oh wait, it's just a Social thing, yet they perform blessings with sweet-grass, whistle blows, honour songs, and medicine smoke, y'know stuff we do socially.

I know most powwows have no-alcohol on premises rule, I just think being too drunk at a powwow kinda ruins the mood for those who attend sober. And having people like that kinda encourages that way of life. Just trying to help, alcohol abuse is a Eff-up thing.

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The thread is a little misleading haha I got a few email request for ingredients and setup. LOL
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My last encounter had a very talented fancy dancer at my door with her pants half way down and her bra hanging at her waist.
bro you GOTTA tell me which powwows youre hangin out at
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exactly!!!! I wouldve let her in. LOL!!!
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bro you GOTTA tell me which powwows youre hangin out at
I'm doing you a a HUGE favor by not telling you, trust me, unless you want that fiery burning crotch then PM me and I'll point you to the hot crotches.
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This happens all of the time, to me I see it as their choice and I look at it as a way to take the opportunity to lead by example.

I had my young niece really upset one time when she realized that most of the people she viewed as teachers were either daily use pot smokers or drinkers and I was sad for her...she truly felt let down when she learnt that not everyone was what they seem and they didn't practice what they preach.

I reminded her that it is not our place to judge and we don't have to like it but we have to respect their choices. Sadly, she has withdrawn from wanting to attend cultural events but I am slowly working on getting her re-integrated into the community.
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