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Old 05-15-2006, 03:47 PM   #21
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nah he didnt sing, just dropped in. lol u no. diamond is a guy that does shows and tours of native american shows and what not. u no same stuff different guy. some of the guys that used to sing wit the plainsmen are singin with me now like itsy. u get that pm?

Yeah, got it, left him a message... Told him to fix that wacked out voicemail... horrible distortion, thanks for the number tho :D

Where you guys from?
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Old 05-15-2006, 04:05 PM   #22
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haha yea. him and his voicemail. but we're from atlanta mostly.
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So what I'm getting is that nobody knows any legit traditions to support this?
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Honor....Maybe???

Could this be a way of showing honor to the women?

BTW..there is going to be a powwow in Ashland KY June 3-4 2006. This will be the first time Ashland has ever held a powwow. Please if you can come to this powwow and you have comments, we would love to listen to nice comments and criticism that is spoken in a fashion that will help, not hinder, those around that are attempting to bring something to this area that will hopefully allow others to leave with some knowledge of the Red Way. Maybe even a peaceful feeling as the drums drum the heartbeat and the singers sing the songs.
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:08 AM   #25
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So what I'm getting is that nobody knows any legit traditions to support this?
You won't find any because they don't exist. Any "traditions" surrounding this were made up in the past 5-10 years.
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So what I'm getting is that nobody knows any legit traditions to support this?

RShield,

I am documenting powwow history as a part of my job.

I've never heard of this.

But then again....

Something "different" springs up at a powwow "every powwow season!" *L
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RShield,

I am documenting powwow history as a part of my job.

I've never heard of this.

But then again....

Something "different" springs up at a powwow "every powwow season!" *L
And if it is done at the next season's powwow...does it become 'tradition'?



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BTW..there is going to be a powwow in Ashland KY June 3-4 2006. QUOTE]

Saquu,

I wish we could make it but we have a prior commitment to sing in Kimbolton, OH the same weekend... I wish your pow wow was just one weekend later... that's our only free weekend in June.
It would be nice to go to Ashland actually... it's only about a 30-40 minute drive.
Hopefully things will work out and we can make it next year! Good luck with your gathering!

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And if it is done at the next season's powwow...does it become 'tradition'?

Tradition and what is "Traditional" is EXTREMELY controversial!

"Traditional" is a loose term that has a different meaning by whomever is doing the defining.

So, in answer to your question, doing it two year's in a row can "loosely" define it as "traditional" to "that" powwow.

Scary, huh?
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BTW..there is going to be a powwow in Ashland KY June 3-4 2006. QUOTE]

Saquu,

I wish we could make it but we have a prior commitment to sing in Kimbolton, OH the same weekend... I wish your pow wow was just one weekend later... that's our only free weekend in June.
It would be nice to go to Ashland actually... it's only about a 30-40 minute drive.
Hopefully things will work out and we can make it next year! Good luck with your gathering!

Paselo

Ashland sounds great..... So does Topeka :P LOL


I do have to make a correction:

This is a tradition I've seen amoungst MANY MANY hobbs... hahaha... sorry.... Doesn't happen in the real world, probably one of the following:

A: Head vet with something shoved somewhere

B: Overzealous vetran (probably not a dancer)

C: A guy that was given a hawk wing, and now he's gods gift to tradition.


Sounds like ohio.
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Sounds like ohio.
LOL... yeah but this was Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Indiana and West Virginia I've seen this happen in... and yeah, some in ohio too... LOL
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I don't know how or why this point guard thing started. But someone started it somewhere. I don't agree with it. I was told that it is a way to show honor to our women. It's not a protection thing from what I'm told. I have seen this happen all over the eastern US.

I know mine and Red Shields wives don't like it at all. Our wives were both raised out west in a traditional family. Both women were in the circle since childhood. Beaded binkies and all. A womens traditional dance is for the "ladies only". No one else should be in the circle.

If these guys think that our women need protection while doing a women's traditional dance, then those same guys should look at some of the knives our ladies carry. The women know how to use them too.

If someone was dumb enough to jump into the circle to harm one of our women, the women in the circle would take care of the problem long before the men had a chance to move.

I would almost feel sorry for the fool who tried. Getting taken down by another man is one thing, But being taken down by the women? Not a good thing in my book. Those ladies protect with a vengence.

There are a few of us in Ohio that are trying to change things for the better. It's slow progress, but it's progress. I guess this is what happens when heritage is lost so many years ago. People here seem to grasp at straws to make thing work. There are too many missing pieces to the puzzle out east. It's not like out west where heritage is somewhat intact. I had to move our family east because of work and was tossed into "Instant Culture Shock".


I wonder sometimes what the west would be like if the white man hit the west coast instead of the east. That's another topic for later.
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I wonder sometimes what the west would be like if the white man hit the west coast instead of the east. That's another topic for later.

I can come up with four related scenarios.

We wouldn't be speaking english

The internet would have been developted in the 50's, not the 70's.

We would still be stealing eachothers women (Has that changed? hahaha) & (yes, 2 parter) We would be paying less for meat.

The pinto would be a mustang, the mustang a jag, and an eagle, a ferrari...

No wonder I drove an AMC for so long....

jks...

But, there's a few things that I'm sure would be different... oh yeah, fuel? I think our people would have found a better alternative than ethanol, gasoline, or diesel... We might be running on cherokees, sure are enough... *jks again, don't take it to heart, ya'll do spread like multicolored rabbits*

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I can come up with four related scenarios.

We wouldn't be speaking english

The internet would have been developted in the 50's, not the 70's.

We would still be stealing eachothers women (Has that changed? hahaha) & (yes, 2 parter) We would be paying less for meat.

The pinto would be a mustang, the mustang a jag, and an eagle, a ferrari...

No wonder I drove an AMC for so long....

jks...

But, there's a few things that I'm sure would be different... oh yeah, fuel? I think our people would have found a better alternative than ethanol, gasoline, or diesel... We might be running on cherokees, sure are enough... *jks again, don't take it to heart, ya'll do spread like multicolored rabbits*

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I don't know why I thought you would take the first opportunity to respond. I opened the door, and you walked in.
Gotta laugh! You sure know how to make someone laugh like crazy. Your OK in my book!!! You should come to some of the powwows out east and help fix things that are wrong. Call it a challenge. We need all the help we can get to make things right.
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Gotta laugh! You sure know how to make someone laugh like crazy. Your OK in my book!!! You should come to some of the powwows out east and help fix things that are wrong. Call it a challenge. We need all the help we can get to make things right.
Well, I don't know how far east we're planning on going this year, so far, the closest I've heard is the penn/ohio boarder...

Maybe when we're invited a little further out, we'll run into eachother.

I'm not that funny at powwows, honestly... 49's, yeah, online, yeah... I just don't like "in your face ugly" at powwows like some can be.
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Well, I don't know how far east we're planning on going this year, so far, the closest I've heard is the penn/ohio boarder...

Maybe when we're invited a little further out, we'll run into eachother.

I'm not that funny at powwows, honestly... 49's, yeah, online, yeah... I just don't like "in your face ugly" at powwows like some can be.
Well if you want to hook up, I'll be at the Shawnee powwow in Bellefountaine, Ohio this weekend. It's easy to get to. Just follow I-75 south from Michagan into Ohio and turn left at the cardboard powwow sign. LOL

The only "in your face ugly" I like is when you team dance and try to get someone from another team to start laughing and blow it. Or during a good fun loving sneak-up.

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I can't, we're doing something at a jail on saturday (mini powwow, all you can eat food!) Sunday we're finishing up richmond IN... come join us :D
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