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Old 09-08-2008, 07:19 PM   #81
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Hopefully things will be good for the people this year. Who is on their headstaff? Did they switch up the tabulator or is the family still hanging on?
Well it seems that a few changes make a BIG difference! I was there this weekend and everything ran puuurty smooth. The tabulator did an awesome job! Thank goodness they didn't run all the contest every session, there were a few mixups and changes but for the most part it went well. Tabulation was done early.....but the money was "on it's way" so they had to extend the intertribals which meant a later ending but we still got out of there around 8, ALTHOUGH they were still announcing winners; hand drum, drum contest, when we left. There were so many categories that it takes forever to announce the winners but everything was fair and square. It was hot on Saturday, but cooler on Sunday. A much better powwow than it has been in the past. And LOTS of dancers!!
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Well it seems that a few changes make a BIG difference! I was there this weekend and everything ran puuurty smooth. The tabulator did an awesome job! Thank goodness they didn't run all the contest every session, there were a few mixups and changes but for the most part it went well. Tabulation was done early.....but the money was "on it's way" so they had to extend the intertribals which meant a later ending but we still got out of there around 8, ALTHOUGH they were still announcing winners; hand drum, drum contest, when we left. There were so many categories that it takes forever to announce the winners but everything was fair and square. It was hot on Saturday, but cooler on Sunday. A much better powwow than it has been in the past. And LOTS of dancers!!
It's always good when committees realize they need to make changes and move forward for the better. Thank you LAKiowa for the update.
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Funny how a thread from last years powwow made it back around for this years powwow....LOL

Wonder if it will be around for next years powwow.... watch n see.

Glad to hear Sycuan went well this year. Maybe the committee is catchin on and listening. I hope everyone had fun....
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I was rereading this thread and it made me laugh.. it reminded me of the time when a powwow family went up to the committee after the powwow(ft duchense, years ago...) was over and complained that some of their family didn't place and some should have placed higher.. then the reason they said that was because they were "champion dancers" lol.. the mom was was actually yelling.. my daughter has placed all over!!!! lol..
I recently saw this happen again over at ute mtn powwow.. someone complaining after the powwow was over about placement... sheesh..
BUT...
the crazy thing about this is that the complaining paid off!!!! the committee gave into these "champion dancers" arguments and they came away with cash!!!
sheesh..

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Maybe the complainers actually placed higher this year. lol Who got results? Heard the Boyz took drum 3 or 4 years running.
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We stayed home with our new son and wished we could be there. It sounds like things were good at the powwow. Changing tabulators must have helped out. So any winners list?
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Sycuan Winners

Here's my list, I stopped at my category because I was unavailable after that-Sorry If I screw up any names or spellings!!!

Men's Golden Age
2-Henry Allen
1-Saginaw Grant

Women's Golden Age
5-Georgia Adson
4-Dolores Goodeagle
3-Priscilla Schrock
2-Nita Track
1-Claudia Spicer

Sr. Women's Northern
5-Pat Lopez
4-CLaudia Lorentz
3-Carolyn Reyes
2-Louise Scabbyrobe
1-Virgie Tsosie

Sr. Men's Northern
4-Richard Parker
3-Greg Red Elk
2-Kenny Scabbyrobe
1-Mark Roanhorse

Seniors Women Southern
5-Mary Allrunner
4-Drew Sanders
3-Sharon Haymond
2-Winnie Whitetail
1-Annette Rice

Senior Mens Southern
5-Bill Hudson
4-Barry Hamilton
3-Allenroy Paquin
2-Ronnie Ahboah
1-Gary Koshiway

Jr. Womens' Northern Cloth
5-Emelita T
4-Debbie Sky
3-Jamie Acuma
2-Jacinta Tsosie
1-Maurissa TwoTwo
Jr. Womens Southern
Cloth
5-Elizabeth Nevaquaya
4-Kelly Redhouse
3-Amanda Harris
2-Sheila Panjwani
1-Regina Charles

Jr. Women's No. Buckskin
4-Violet SCabbyrobe
3-Tamara Toya
2-Jshen Tsosie
1-Delmarina OneFeather

Jr. Womens So Buckskin
3-Cindy Dawson
2-Raetava Yazzie
1-Jessica Whiteshield

Jr. Women's Fancy
5-Naomi Bebo
4-Shamaray Littlechild
3-Josette Wahwasuk
2-Verna Street
1-Carol Melting Tallow

Jr. Womens 'Jingle
5-Maureen King
4-Tahnee Baker
3-Celeste McGurk
2-Tiny R
1- I don't know, I might have messed this one up!!

Jr.Men's southern
5-Silas Perkins
4-Ipa Dutchover
3-Aldrick Jackson
2-Forrest Gorman
1-Lewis Perkins

Jr. Men's Northern
5-Leland RedEagle
4-Ellis Printup
3-Dallin Maybee
2-Sequoyah Monroe
1-ARdell Scalplock

Jr. Men's Fancy
5-Sky McMichael
4-Jamie Ward
3-Dennison Brown
2-Lydell Yazzie
1-Douglas scoffield

Jr. Men's Grass
5-Dakota Whitewater
4-Darnell Baker
3-Quannah La Rose
2-COlton
1-Adam Nordwall

Adult Women's Northern CLoth
5-Arlene Allen
4-Linda Old Horn Purdy
3-Antoinette Hawk
2-Patricia Running Crane
1-Vonnie Schrock

Adult Womens' No. Buckskin
1-Isis Gorman (there was only one in the category)

Adult Women's Southern Cloth
5-Carla Whiteshield
4-Yolanda Frenchman
3-Vera Bega
2-I didn't hear the name
1-Roberta Smith

Adult Men's southern Straight
4-Don't know
3-Ryan Rumley
2-Sean Spicer
1-Steve Campos

I don't know the rest, which is adult men's Grass, Northern Traditional and Fancy.
I guess I will copy and paste this into the other form thing for people to find.

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what about drums???.......who was there???.......who placed??????????
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skybird, thank for the winner's list. Can you put some spaces between the winners next time. I'm old and having a hard time reading it....
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I was rereading this thread and it made me laugh.. it reminded me of the time when a powwow family went up to the committee after the powwow(ft duchense, years ago...) was over and complained that some of their family didn't place and some should have placed higher.. then the reason they said that was because they were "champion dancers" lol.. the mom was was actually yelling.. my daughter has placed all over!!!! lol..
I recently saw this happen again over at ute mtn powwow.. someone complaining after the powwow was over about placement... sheesh..
BUT...
the crazy thing about this is that the complaining paid off!!!! the committee gave into these "champion dancers" arguments and they came away with cash!!!
sheesh..
holay who has big ballz? she has big ballz!!! .... dang how gall-y do ya have to be to go complain about your kids not placing ... dang

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skybird, thank for the winner's list. Can you put some spaces between the winners next time. I'm old and having a hard time reading it....
oh i know ... me too i was like dang ... spaces ppl spaces!! LOL
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OOps, I thought someone posted drums already!!
Um, there were 8 i think...The two hosts and Thundering Spirit, River Cree, Sacred Wind, The Boyz, Preyin Eagle, High Valley, Quart Low, Blu Thunder, Badger Shield.

1-The Boyz
2-River Cree
3-High Valley
4-Thundering spirit I think?
5-Blu Thunder
6-Quart Low

So, Quart Low was the only southern drum in the contest it was Glen ahhaitty and LLoyd,etc. And Blu Thunder rocked with just their usual 5-6 guys (Good Job BUDGE!), High Valley was the So. Calif. Original Style singers-Terry, Leland, Taite, Darnell, Calvin, etc...Great singing!! Um, River Cree-I think was from Canada somewhere. That's all I can remember, The Boyz also won the hand drum contest.
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Yes, spaces wouldve helped!!! Sometimes I put them in cool columns and then when I click POST, the whole thing gets screwed up and ends up in a list anyway!! Was just having a time issue so I typed them in real fast, Sorry about that!!!

And as a tabulator, you wouldn't believe how many people come up after the pow wow and say "I think I shouldve placed".Nothing surprises me anymore. But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.
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OOps, I thought someone posted drums already!!
Um, there were 8 i think...The two hosts and Thundering Spirit, River Cree, Sacred Wind, The Boyz, Preyin Eagle, High Valley, Quart Low, Blu Thunder, Badger Shield.

1-The Boyz
2-River Cree
3-High Valley
4-Thundering spirit I think?
5-Blu Thunder
6-Quart Low

So, Quart Low was the only southern drum in the contest it was Glen ahhaitty and LLoyd,etc. And Blu Thunder rocked with just their usual 5-6 guys (Good Job BUDGE!), High Valley was the So. Calif. Original Style singers-Terry, Leland, Taite, Darnell, Calvin, etc...Great singing!! Um, River Cree-I think was from Canada somewhere. That's all I can remember, The Boyz also won the hand drum contest.
oh kewl thundering spirit ...
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And as a tabulator, you wouldn't believe how many people come up after the pow wow and say "I think I shouldve placed".Nothing surprises me anymore. But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.
ok this is something that i would never think to do ..... never ever .... ever!!!
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Yes, spaces wouldve helped!!! Sometimes I put them in cool columns and then when I click POST, the whole thing gets screwed up and ends up in a list anyway!! Was just having a time issue so I typed them in real fast, Sorry about that!!!

And as a tabulator, you wouldn't believe how many people come up after the pow wow and say "I think I shouldve placed".Nothing surprises me anymore. But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.
Thanks for fixing....

YUP! Some people have no shame....
I'm getting ready to do some tabulating in a few weeks. this is the one part I Don't look forward to...
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And as a tabulator, you wouldn't believe how many people come up after the pow wow and say "I think I shouldve placed".Nothing surprises me anymore. But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.
Of course there's gonna always be issues, that's a given. Having a new tabulator this year made a world of difference and she did an awesome job! She told them that she was keeping away from the scanners and spreadsheets and doing it with pencil and paper and by golly it worked!! I'm sure there were a few questions here and there, but I haven't seen this powwow run so smoothly in a few years. The head judge did a great job in selecting his judges, everybody knew what they were doing. The Arena director, and I say director because I never saw the other one, but he also did a great job and kept things going. For once they had a head staff, (altho I don't know who picked that So. host drum) that knew how to run a powwow. And Kudos to the powwow committee for making the changes that were needed to have another great Cali Casino powwow!! Now, if they would just fix up their campgrounds it would all be good!!
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But i'm not getting too excited about the tabulation at Sycuan, just because it looked all good, doesn't mean there weren't issues. At least it was timely.

I was the tabulator this year at Sycuan. It was a challenging job especially since I didn't have a "crew" so to speak. I had a helper who did an outstanding job keeping up with me. The tabulations were complete and in order after the juniors and teens danced on Sunday afternoon.

I actually loaded my computer program on Sunday morning after the adult categories were complete to validate and QA my manual tabulations. This was done to ensure all the checks and balances were in place for a fair and honest result. As far as any issues, there were none to speak of. Everything ran very smoothly considering the pace of the contests on Friday and Saturday nights.

It was amazing how many people interrupted me all weekend wanting to check their grand entry points though. I had to continually remind people that I was merely the "bean counter" and had nothing to do with any decisions made by the committee and had to continually refer people to the commitee to check their grand entry points.

After the awards were presented, my books were open to anyone who cared to review their points in case they felt they "should have won", but no one stopped by.

I think the Sycuan committee did a good job restoring their powwow. I'm sure they are reading this website and enjoying the positive feedback they are receiving and will consider the suggestions that different ones have made to them.

Thank you to all of you that supported me and the kinds words. Haw.
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skybird, thank for the winner's list. Can you put some spaces between the winners next time. I'm old and having a hard time reading it....
LMAO!!!....She ain't lying......LOL!!!....just kidding K-Mom!!!!!!!!!!!
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