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Old 07-13-2004, 10:33 AM   #21
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The only thing Wayne Silas should cry and complain about is someone told him he could sing handdrum. If it wasn't for Melinda backing those two up, they would have never got third. However, the whole handdrum contest was a joke! It's supposed to be about some good old rounddance songs ~ not a sidestep and whatever Tha Tribe was trying to sing. So Boyz and Whitetail should have had that comp INDEED!

Good on Snake Island for taking first ~ very well deserved. For all you potential haterzzz ~ Joe Plain didn't do ANY drum judging this weekend so lets give this drum the credit it deserves for once eh?

Too many dance offs! Jacked point system! Too hot! But pertty good for a first timer.

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who won smoke dance? Anyone know?
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kahnawake smokedance winners

girls
1st: sugar thomas
2nd: singing wind deer
3rd:?? don't rememer her name but she shoulda placed 2nd

boys
1st: tekahentake regis-montour
2nd: ?
3rd: i think owen mayo

teen girls
1st: emily regis
2nd: kaylyn ???
3rd: karahkwiiostha two-axe

teen boys:
1st: clayton rice
2nd: ?
3rd: ?

women's
1st: tasha thompson
2nd: nonni norton

men's
1st: john block
2nd: dj white
3rd: teka littlebear

1st:eileen thompson
2nd: sedalia fazio

1st: darryll thompson
2nd:??
3rd:??

that's all i remember, so does anyone know who won the teen smokedance in niagara???
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Old 07-14-2004, 07:34 PM   #24
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Too bad wit tail messed up all there leads and snake island should get there own songs if ther so good tell them to go travel and see some real comp. (BUSTERS)!!! eVeRyone knows that tha tribe did way better than 4th should of got 1st


and all u haters kan bite my drumstik
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and all u haters kan bite my drumstik
I don't see anyone hatin". Just you.

But I will join you. I hate dance offs for practically every category.
This should be called Thunder Falls Dance Off Festival.
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Old 07-15-2004, 12:10 AM   #27
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"Too bad wit tail messed up all there leads and snake island should get there own songs if ther so good tell them to go travel and see some real comp. (BUSTERS)!!! eVeRyone knows that tha tribe did way better than 4th should of got 1st


and all u haters kan bite my drumstik"

posted by powwow_lovers.

Sickening! Little boys who learn how to sing without any proper drum etiquette like respect, humility and kindness. All they know is jealousy, bigheadedness, and anger. Your perception is so ugly and without knowledge.

Most veteran singers know whose songs are whose. Snake Island sings their own songs composed by their members and will occasionally sing a song that was given to them or given permission to sing.

powwow_lovers, you need to grow up and learn what the drum and the powwow circle is all about. Later!
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judges should exclude them selves if ther friends or family of the drum being judged for all fairness and at a contest drums should use new or improved songs not the same ones for 2 yrs

sounds like im B!tch!n but im tiered of being ZZ'd out at pow wow's because of poor judgment or beef between people or familys people should put that SH!^ a side at the drum especially wen its contest other wise there is no contest if u no ure goin to win because u have the "hook up" shure its cool but sum one always gets screwed

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Old 07-15-2004, 09:41 AM   #29
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Sure, ONE PERSON from Whitetail effed up a few leads, and yeah Snake Island might have sang some of the same songs. BUT they still jammed! I had people forcasting all weekend that Snake Island had it.

I don't remember seeing Joe Plain judging. Or family members of Whitetail tabulating. The results were fair. The Tribe sang OK and they placed where they deserved. Speaking of which, has The Tribe EVER placed over Whitetail? I'm not even trying to hate against The Tribe but narcissism is unecessary.

Don't cry because you didn't place higher than fourth. Be happy you got third in the handdrum contest lol.

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Old 07-15-2004, 03:02 PM   #31
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contest drums can use whatever songs they want (that are their own,permission to sing them etc)....some songs i hear today are reaaaaaaaal old, and those singers are still kickin them out,and they still sound real good too. a lot of drums sing songs that are way old, but no one complains cuz they KICK A$$...anywayz, congrats to snake island, shoulda been there to hear u guyz, but u guys always sound good..keep it up

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Enough....

I've heard Tha Tribe on a good day....and now I've heard them on a bad day. I'm sorry, but truth is - Snake Island was 'on' and 'rockin' this past weekend. They really deserved that win.

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Tha Tribe and Snake Island

Snake Island KICKED Tha Tribes AZZ...and thats that. Wayne Silas has got to understand, Tha Tribe is gonna lose and win at different times. I only hope Silas has an understanding that there ARE drums that do sound better, and that he isnt all that.
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Excuse me Johnny. That couldn't be Wayne talkin'. He takes the losses. He didn't lose anyways. They placed.

As far as same ole songs, Cozad better hope that PW lovers isn't judging them at some powwow.
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I personally thought Tha Tribe should have placed higher and I'm not even a fan of theirs... but that's just my opinion. As far as the hand drum competition, I thought it was a bit lack luster all the way around. That's why 2 more groups joined the competition after it had already started... cuz they heard the quality of the groups who had already sung.

A few people have mentioned the dance offs... not only was their a dance off in almost every category, there was even a sing off in the handdrum contest. Somebody's gotta come up with a better scoring system.

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As far as same ole songs, Cozad better hope that PW lovers isn't judging them at some powwow.
LOL! I know that's right.
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My two cents...

Tha Tribe shouldn't be such poor sports -- it just makes their whole group look bad, regardless who starts the poutin'. Every pow-wow I've been to where they've placed, no matter what place it is, they're unhappy and felt they deserve to be the champions. That's not right and not being a true drum at all -- I thought singers sang because they love to sing, not to: sing, not get first and then whine around. Tha Tribe has some good songs, but they're obviously missing something the judges hear and see in other drums.

Snake Island jammed at Niagara Falls and if they didn't, then they wouldn't have gotten first. The tabulations and judging were fair. And it shouldn't matter where a drum goes or if they're against "real competition," what matters is that they enjoy themselves at the drum. What's "real competition" anyway? So what if Snake Island doesn't go to the "real" pow-wows according to some people...they're still kick-*** singers. And they STILL won first at Niagara Falls -- which they totally deserved.
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Did ya'll notice, the same judges were used both days.

One judge wouldn't judge the next day, cause he knew better.

NOTICE TO ALL POWWOW STAFFS:

Change judges for the next day!

Congrats to Tesha Emarthle for 1st in Women's Smoke!
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Well, I guess I will start by stating that there are some people on here pre-judging myself and our group. I would like to extend a word of congratulations to Snake Island for winning. In my opinion, they did deserve it and they sounded very good. I have no negative feelings toward them. they have a good sound along with good songs. when I was younger, I used to sing with John Snake and John Brown and I have learned a thing or two from them. I remember some good songs brought forth and composed by John Snake being sung along with Ben Bearskin Sr. and Jr. ,Alec Montroy, Ray Tohowa and the rest of that old crew from my younger adolescent years. I appreciate the fact that I had the opportunity to learn from them.

I would also like to clarify that "the haters" out there are really blowing this out of proportion. We (Tha Tribe) do not think that we're better than anyone however misconceived the gossip on us is spread. We were a little disappointed on the judging of this particular weekend, but disappointment is alive in any aspect of competition. It's considered "balance".

As far as whining goes, I expressed our feelings of disappointment to a friend of mine who was working "behind the scenes" of the weekend. Several people had told us that we should have done better, hence the feelings of disappointment. It never went any further than that on our end, and we didn't expect to gain anything out of it. I simply expressed the groups' feelings of the weekend to one person who seemed interested. I know how people just love to jump at an opportunity to make someone else appear negative, especially when the "grapevine story" changes at every passing.

No, we don't expect to win everywhere and we are happy just to be recognized. Sometimes we win over dancers or singers who are more deserving, and vice-versa. It happens everywhere. As far as the hand drum contest goes, I totally agree that Melinda carried us through and perhaps we didn't deserve to place. DJ and I were both quite burnt out, tuned out, and probably off-beat. In my opinion, Melinda is an excellent singer and I am extremely grateful that she chooses to back us up. She makes any group sound good. As for our other guys; (Tyler, Ron, and Troy) they entered just for fun, hence the attempt at singing that tie-breaker song. They didn't expect anything from that contest and were in it for the sake of "trying it out". We didn't expect to offend anyone by entering a hand drum contest. I agree that I am not a great round dance singer, but at least we gave it a shot instead of criticizing someone else's efforts. Congrats to MLB on that one. They sonded good singing their style of hand drum songs and definitely deserved the win.

I don't post much on here, but I enjoy reading everyone's personal opinions and reviews. Many times, I am told to "just shrug off the haters' negative remarks" but this thread is really upsetting to us so I thought I would say a few things on our behalf.

The weekend was fun and I enjoyed the Smoke Dance Contest to the "max". I enjoyed visiting with friends that I haven't seen for a long time. Not bad for a 1st annual, and I am sure there will not be as many dance-offs next year.

I would like to extend a word of gratitude to those who take time out of their lives to comment on myself and our group, whether it be a positive note or negative remark. That makes me happy to know that we are in your thoughts and we will keep you in our prayers. See you somewhere on "Tha Trail!"
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Wow! There's some humility for you... even after all these negative posts. I think that says a lot.
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Wow! There's some humility for you... even after all these negative posts. I think that says a lot.
Good one Wayne. :clap: :Thumbs
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