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Old 09-14-2005, 01:32 PM   #41
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It's funny how people make comments withouth knowing the whole deal. If you want to know about certain individuals that dance this style then go ahead and ask them. People come on the internet to talk alotta crap but when it comes to the real deal of being an adult about the situation it's a no go. There is always talk about this subject and I would like to say that my family is a part of the Cozad family. People have always encouraged my family to continue our dance styles.

NastyFlaps- You made alotta good points... *tips hat* ayes *L*

Burb- We should just be screaming "Jerry!! Jerry!!" *LOL*
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Old 09-14-2005, 02:43 PM   #42
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Hmmmmmmm...

I sat here and read everyone's posts and opinions. Some are good and some, well I don't entirely agree with. But hey, that's why there is the freedom of speech, we are all allowed and entitled to our own opinions. But, before I had my 'coming out' ceremony I had to go through some intense 'training' about the Powwow world, what the circle represented, what I had to represent as a dancer, the traditions, the meanings of certain songs, dances, regalias, etc. My 'Powwow' father, as I call him, was the one who taught me all this, he is Lakota. But he also made sure I wasn't going to go in this circle dumb and ignorant. Before I came out, I had to reassure him that I was ready to enter this circle and be a good role model/representative.

But the one thing I was taught was to never dance a style or wear a certain type of regalia without knowing the history of that style, without getting the permission from that tribe/family, and to respect all the traditions that comes with that style of dance. I was taught never to just wake up one morning and say.....hey....I want to be a southern buckskin dancer.

And that's exactly what I have taught my young son, he cannot just dance grass cuz it looks 'cool'. I've had to teach him the ways I was taught before he entered in the circle, Even though he's had his 'coming out' ceremony, he's still going through his 'wait-time' to be initiated into the grassdance society (since I have to combine 2 cultures at once, its taking longer than expected). He will be initiated next year but until then he just enjoys dancing and is learning the ways as he is suppose too. I have taught him to be the role model and earn the respect of the elders/other dancers. He will learn to grow to be a good 'representative'.

I have also seen some posts about dancing in your own regalia. Well dammit I have, full velvateen dress with all the silver and bling on it. For years, I dressed this way up until I was pregnant. I danced mostly in the CA circuit during this time, however, I also stopped for another reason. I didn't feel comfortable being 'gawked' at by other dancers. The only other dine' dancers were the wannabee's trying to 'fit' in. Even other Dine' dancers just looked at me (the ones dancing other styles), it made me feel really uncomfortable and questioned my pride at times. But I stuck to it no matter what others thought, however, I can see why other tribes do not want to dance their own styles.

Powwows are suppose to be fun, a gathering of ALL tribes, and not a place to be judged. Us Natives have enough judgment against us in the outside world why should we have this in the arena? I brought my son in to the circle to be FREE, to be proud of his nativeness, to be strong, and to be amongst the people that will respect him for who he is.

For the one who started this thread, you should be teaching and not dicriminating. Tradition and respect starts at home. I understand how it feels to have our things mocked or taken, etc. Heck, we all do. But it's going to happen, whether we like it or not. However, i'd rather teach our ways to a fellow native who I'd know respect it than a white person who'd disrespect it. Again, just My own opinion.
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Old 09-14-2005, 03:03 PM   #43
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Last time I checked the Navajo reservation was in the south. If I were to dress totally traditional, I'd be wearing a basket hat, tule skirt, no mocs, shell necklaces, and topless. I made and choose to wear a nice deerskin dress with beads and shell work on it, plus a beaded basket hat and mocs. There are ways to incorporate your tribal designs and traditions into dance clothes, that may seem all too common.
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Old 09-14-2005, 03:25 PM   #44
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jerry! jerry! haha,

on my ojibwe side the mens tradish outfit is wayyy differnt than what is worn in todays competition. the jingle dresses and dance styles are differnt. i like it that way. i dont confuse todays commercial powwows with tradish powwows. i dont apply the same standards to either one.

i just love kickin back eatin fresh walleye, wildrice, bannock and maybe some duck soup..!! *aye just gettin hungry* with little otter jamming some tunes somewhere. if there were twenty jinglers side steppin the night away... id be pretty damm happy.

and ahh, i also like casino powwows and other powwows in general. its nice to see big money bring good dancers and drums together. its entertaining and exciting, so who wouldnt like it.?

one thing i wont find myself doing is dressing up as a navajo man and getting down at a powwow. yaa dii lah, like i was at a jinjay or something...lol

anyway good post everyone.
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Old 09-14-2005, 03:38 PM   #45
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jerry! jerry! haha,

on my ojibwe side the mens tradish outfit is wayyy differnt than what is worn in todays competition. the jingle dresses and dance styles are differnt. i like it that way. i dont confuse todays commercial powwows with tradish powwows. i dont apply the same standards to either one.

i just love kickin back eatin fresh walleye, wildrice, bannock and maybe some duck soup..!! *aye just gettin hungry* with little otter jamming some tunes somewhere. if there were twenty jinglers side steppin the night away... id be pretty damm happy.

and ahh, i also like casino powwows and other powwows in general. its nice to see big money bring good dancers and drums together. its entertaining and exciting, so who wouldnt like it.?

one thing i wont find myself doing is dressing up as a navajo man and getting down at a powwow. yaa dii lah, like i was at a jinjay or something...lol

anyway good post everyone.
mmm walleye..wildrice
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Well, what about those people that get an outfit together and then go searching for someone or a family to bring them into the arena so they can dance whatever style they're interested in. I think that's wrong. If a person or family of another tribe thinks enough of you to personally dress you in their style, that's another thing. Example, the two women who were publicly dressed in the arena in the Southern style at Prairie Island by the Southern family. I'm sure those two ladies didn't ask to be dressed, but I may be wrong. Just my two cents.
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i agree ccreek, How can one person or family give another person from a totally different tribe the right to dress in their tribal regalia? Im sure the "whole tribe" didn't come together and vote on it and say this is alright for this person from another tribe to dance in our regalia. ALso, if your 1/2, 1/4, 1/3 or whatever I think its okay for you to dress in your tribal regalia no matter how much quantum BUT as long as you have that tribe in your bloodine.

Example:
Tawny Hale is half Lakota and half Navajo. Dances Fancy shawl
Candace M. is half Navajo and half Cree. Dances Jingle
(Whoo, those are some good dancers, too!)

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Last time I checked the Navajo reservation was in the south. If I were to dress totally traditional, I'd be wearing a basket hat, tule skirt, no mocs, shell necklaces, and topless. I made and choose to wear a nice deerskin dress with beads and shell work on it, plus a beaded basket hat and mocs. There are ways to incorporate your tribal designs and traditions into dance clothes, that may seem all too common.
well i guess there'd be alot of guys out there that would like to see that at a pow wow - topless!!

why can't we all just get along? ayez!!
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So let me understand this.....

Some people don't want other people wearing the clothes of their tribe or more specifically the geometric shapes of their tribe?

We are all arging about the ribbon work around the bottom of the skirt, right? So if I create a Navajo wedding basket design around the botten of a skirt, wear a blouse and mocs, would that be acceptable?

Just wondering......

Actually Injunboy, when I read your post about Traditional clothes Special, I was seriously thinking of dusting off my Ke nisti and Beelth. (Sorry I'm not a good speller) To see if anyone knows what a traditional Navajo Looks like. LOL Then I was thinking of borrowing my counsin's fancy Song and Dance outfits so I don't have to be all hot and itchy. ROFL!

Maybe one of these days, I will. Just so the SNOBS can decide they don't like that either.......

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[QUOTE=injunboy]jerry! jerry! haha,


i just love kickin back eatin fresh walleye, wildrice, bannock and maybe some duck soup..!! *aye just gettin hungry* with little otter jamming some tunes somewhere. if there were twenty jinglers side steppin the night away... id be pretty damm happy.
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MMMM, DUCK SOUP!!!
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jerry! jerry! haha,


i just love kickin back eatin fresh walleye, wildrice, bannock and maybe some duck soup..!! *aye just gettin hungry* with little otter jamming some tunes somewhere. if there were twenty jinglers side steppin the night away... id be pretty damm happy.
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MMMM, DUCK SOUP!!!
Got any QUACK-ERS with that?? ayeeeeeeee....LMAOH...ok ok I am laffin at myself here.....jeesh. :P
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Cool good dancers and ?????

[QUOTE=Heinz 57]i agree ccreek, How can one person or family give another person from a totally different tribe the right to dress in their tribal regalia? Im sure the "whole tribe" didn't come together and vote on it and say this is alright for this person from another tribe to dance in our regalia. ALso, if your 1/2, 1/4, 1/3 or whatever I think its okay for you to dress in your tribal regalia no matter how much quantum BUT as long as you have that tribe in your bloodine.

Example:
Tawny Hale is half Lakota and half Navajo. Dances Fancy shawl
Candace M. is half Navajo and half Cree. Dances Jingle
(Whoo, those are some good dancers, too!)[/
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well, there you go, it's like your name "heinz57", it's the mix blood that make them good, only the best of the best if bred out in them.

ccreek: does that really happen? someone dresses out in other regalia and look for families to adopt them? sheeez, that is way too weird for me!

Wocus Woman:
yeah, navajo's are in the south from where your at, but remember what punkrock said "DESERT INDIANS".

AHO!!
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The way I see it

This primarily applies to contest PWs where the PW commitees have awards for the best dancers (or the most well-known / liked).

These are almost always the same categories (e.g., Southern Straight/Cloth/Fancy, Northern Traditional/Buckskin/Cloth/Fancy, Grass, Jingle, and sometimes Blanket-Pequot).

If these are the styles that dancers can compete for, then believe me. You will see other tribes dancing in these categories.

Most of these same people will attend traditional PWs in their competition regalia, because this is all the have, or to show off there new regalia, or they may just feel inclined to. This is where some people here have taken issue with. During these times, if you're so passionate about it, go over and inquire to your hearts content. Perhaps, your family can bring them out in the proper ways of your tribe.
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It's funny how people make comments withouth knowing the whole deal. If you want to know about certain individuals that dance this style then go ahead and ask them. People come on the internet to talk alotta crap but when it comes to the real deal of being an adult about the situation it's a no go. There is always talk about this subject and I would like to say that my family is a part of the Cozad family. People have always encouraged my family to continue our dance styles.

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I think the topic continues to be a 'hot' one because so many southern people don't understand how someone from outside their tribe can just copy their clothes and wear them as though that is their right. It may sound funny, but it is very offensive. People at home talk about it all the time and unfortunately, it's mainly Navajo women that do it. I only write this as an opinion. I don't want to get chastised by everyone, it's just the way it is.
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Wow!
Someone in "punkrocks" and "fringsnappers" family must've got beat at some competition powwow by a navajo!
I am not navajo but another one of the so called "desert"
tribes.
As I said before, you should know someones story before you pass judgement on them.
There are some things we only share at ceremony which is the case I am sure for all nations. My questions is, if these designs are your "sacred family ceremonial" designs, why are you wearing them at a competition powwow to win money?
As far as cloth designs, many many nations claim them as theirs, who is to say? Can we all get a long?
Why are navajos the target of this thread, many nations copy/borrow/honor each other. Let us stick together or we are just like white people.
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