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sheilaanderson 04-16-2018 03:51 AM

What is your definition of a Warrior?
 
ITs not pow wow talk.

but when i posted a thread about an origin story, the respondents wanted instead to talk about soldiers, warriors, and vets.
THat thread really wasn't the place for that.
sooooo

i am putting it here. why not? seems some people want to talk about that.

so i am curious....

what is a warrior to you?

is there a difference between a warrior and a soldier?

does the team you are on matter?

i don't imagine too many will even wanna touch this at all, but only putting cause there waas a couple that did. maybe i am wrong.

Areitoyaya 04-16-2018 06:08 PM

Definition of a Warrior?
 
Well, I know that a soldier is recruited into a collective military working for many causes that pertain to a country/group. Warriors (Nihuchetino in my language) have a deeper connotation. They are fighting for their nation or group not looking at it from a perspective that benefits the individuals in power but see that they are fighting for the people of the country and that they risk their life so that the people will be safe. Warriors are concerned about forming the future of their family. Looking at it this way, warriors don't have to fight in order to do something for their country/group. They just have to have the heart and the deeper concern that a soldier lacks as the latter might be driven by Patriotism.

Allire, Areitoyaya

milehighsalute 05-03-2018 06:57 PM

deja vu..

didn't we do this before with koyoteh?

milehighsalute 05-03-2018 07:01 PM

here ya go...

http://forums.powwows.com/f11/what-y...warrior-68850/

ches 09-25-2018 07:06 PM

A doctor physician aquaintance of mine once said that all men are warriors. Civilization has just buried it deep down in some societies. I ponder on this.

ches 09-25-2018 07:38 PM

I would like to hear what the ladies on here have to say about the woman warriors.

Joe's Dad 09-26-2018 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ches (Post 1637312)
I would like to hear what the ladies on here have to say about the woman warriors.

I think we might have a couple women on here showing their warriorism now. :rofl:

OLChemist 09-26-2018 09:44 PM

Must be @subeeds. You don't mess with those Cheyenne women. :)

ches 09-27-2018 05:26 PM

Cheyenne women were known for being chaste.

OLChemist 09-27-2018 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ches (Post 1637338)
Cheyenne women were known for being chaste.

Are you saying this because you consider chastity unusual for Native women or is this just a random observation?

wardancer 09-27-2018 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ches (Post 1637338)
Cheyenne women were known for being chaste.

Chased by Joe'sDad ! :hysterica

Joe's Dad 09-27-2018 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wardancer (Post 1637340)
Chased by Joe'sDad ! :hysterica

For the record...I been chaste, too!

wardancer 09-27-2018 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe's Dad (Post 1637341)
For the record...I been chaste, too!

You was chaste that night you wanted help gettin' away cause them 2 gurls was fightin' over ya , and the ugly one was winnin" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Joe's Dad 09-27-2018 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wardancer (Post 1637342)
You was chaste that night you wanted help gettin' away cause them 2 gurls was fightin' over ya , and the ugly one was winnin" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

She got better looking after 3 beers, so I let her chaste me again! :laughing:

subeeds 09-28-2018 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wardancer (Post 1637340)
Chased by Joe'sDad ! :hysterica

That's why I'm glad I'm on the opposite coast. I don't run so fast anymore.
:lol:

@OLChemist
Thanks. I do tend to fire up on people when they are being bullies or insufferable idiots.

Joe's Dad 09-28-2018 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by subeeds (Post 1637346)
That's why I'm glad I'm on the opposite coast. I don't run so fast anymore.
:lol:

@OLChemist
Thanks. I do tend to fire up on people when they are being bullies or insufferable idiots.

Ms. subeeds, I'll be in one of the Carolinas the 2nd and 3rd weekend in October. Put your running shoes on!
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

ches 09-28-2018 01:59 PM

Chaste
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLChemist (Post 1637339)
Are you saying this because you consider chastity unusual for Native women or is this just a random observation?

I was just repeating what I read in a history book. No idee where or when that was. I read military history, native herbal way, and native shawnee history. If that is incorrect, I would like your opinion.

OLChemist 09-28-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ches (Post 1637353)
...I would like your opinion.

That is probably unavoidable, LOL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ches (Post 1637353)
I was just repeating what I read in a history book.

Well, to the victor goes the history books. Historical narratives and the dominant culture tend to view Native women through three lenses: Princess, Slut and Drudge. There are (too) many hundreds, maybe thousands, of murdered and missing Native women who've been crushed under this legacy.

You need to remember that most 16th-18th century first person narratives of Native people were written by military men and male explorers. Often there was little overlap between these men's understandings of proper gender roles and those of the various Native peoples they documented. For example, upperclass Victorian men thought women unsuited for any type of rigorous physical exertion and those who by circumstance or choice engaged in such were somehow defiled. How do you think those men viewed women who skinned and processed large game, or cleared fields and sowed crops, especially when their men were engaged -- in domestic sphere -- in activities viewed as less strenuous?

How would you think an enemy soldier would be greeted in the village or home? Do you think they saw people on their normal behavior? I can just image some ancestress, cut from the same cloth as my mom, demanding the entire household demonstrate to this wasicu visitor exactly how civilized people behave. Her husband would have been scared to do much more that sit there with his bowl of soup making sure he minded his table manners, and the kids wouldn't have dared to move, LOL.

In societies with greater separation between male and female spheres do you think these men could talk with freely with women. Imagine them asking a woman about premarital relations. Think that question would get answered, honestly? At all? Look what happened to Margaret Mead, and she was a woman asking such questions. Instead, they would have talked to other men about such things. You've been on here long enough to get a taste of Indian humor. Imagine the above exchange getting written into an explorer's journal as fact. How many of those "observations' in those accounts were hearsay about a neighboring, possibly enemy, people?

In my experience, there is a range of attitudes and behavior patterns. There were 500+ cultures in the continental US. The entire range of human sexual behaviors could be found, with differing cultural blessings and sanctions.

When I'm not supposed to be working, we'll discuss views female sexuality, sexual violence and the colonial enterprise.

ches 09-28-2018 04:19 PM

Thank you. OL Chemist.

gilisi 09-28-2018 07:02 PM

Dang! I'd rather be chased than chaste...

Said the guy with 6 kids

:hysterica


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