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Old 11-22-2012, 07:55 AM   #1
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I'm writing because I am bothered by a few very negative experiences my friend and I have had at pow wows. I want to pose the question: What responsibility, if any, does the pow wow world have in regulating extremely immoral behavior?

I'm going to start with a man by the name of (edit by moderator) and he dances traditional.

He was indicted of rape when he was twenty years old against TWO minors. Here is proof of that:

( Edit out URL - if people would like to follow up with this info, they can PM the poster)

Currently, he is still being a pervy old fart.

The first chance (edit) got my young friend alone, he grabbed her to feel her up. She said she froze at first cause she couldn't believe what was happening and he had her cornered. She thought she was going to get raped. When she told him to let her go, he said, "No." Luckily, she got away, and went to the police. They couldn't file charges on him they said.

The next time she saw him at a pow wow, he stared her down. He still places at pow wows. If the US government can't do anything, shouldn't the pow wows he goes to be able to?

I've heard of a competition dancer that became known for stealing, amongst his dancer colleagues and friends, and he stopped placing in contests all over the place. There, it was numerous pow wow committees that dealt with him.

But then, I've been to another pow wow where a drum group had been drinking the night before, saw it myself, and they went on to sing the next day, STILL DRUNK and reeking of alcohol. I told someone on the pow wow committee, "if you're not going to disqualify them can't you at least SAY something to them?" This was a HUGE pow wow where the governor of the state was visiting, elementary schools had brought all their children to visit for a field trip. Thus how everyone presents themselves is a big deal.

The committee member just looked at me like I was naive, like she didn't want to deal with it. I just wanted to say, "lady you people have the power to send the message to people that these actions aren't right and won't be tolerated by anyone." But nope, that drum group still won third place.

I understand that these cases I've brought up do not represent everyone, all of the pow wow world. There are some genuinely good people, good elders, good men, good drum groups out there. But I think this deserves to be discussed.

So again, I ask, what responsibility--if any--does the pow wow world have against these kinds of actions? What experiences have you had where something was handled properly? Maybe that pow wow committee can speak about its protocol so others can learn.

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Old 11-23-2012, 01:59 AM   #2
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So again, I ask, what responsibility--if any--does the pow wow world have against these kinds of actions?
What is the "powwow world?"

If no laws are broken, it's nobody's responsibility to do anything. If they are, that's why we have law enforcement.

I'm not a fan of generating some sort of pan-Indian morality attached to the circle then carrying it to the parking lot. What folks do on their own time is their own time.

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When I think of bad things at powwows. I remember when Phyllis Big Left Hand's son was shot dead at a powwow by an errant bullet. That was long ago.
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I'm writing because I am bothered by a few very negative experiences my friend and I have had at pow wows. I want to pose the question: What responsibility, if any, does the pow wow world have in regulating extremely immoral behavior?

I'm going to start with a man by the name of (edit by moderator) and he dances traditional.

He was indicted of rape when he was twenty years old against TWO minors. Here is proof of that:

( Edit out URL - if people would like to follow up with this info, they can PM the poster)

Currently, he is still being a pervy old fart.

The first chance (edit) got my young friend alone, he grabbed her to feel her up. She said she froze at first cause she couldn't believe what was happening and he had her cornered. She thought she was going to get raped. When she told him to let her go, he said, "No." Luckily, she got away, and went to the police. They couldn't file charges on him they said.

The next time she saw him at a pow wow, he stared her down. He still places at pow wows. If the US government can't do anything, shouldn't the pow wows he goes to be able to?

I've heard of a competition dancer that became known for stealing, amongst his dancer colleagues and friends, and he stopped placing in contests all over the place. There, it was numerous pow wow committees that dealt with him.

But then, I've been to another pow wow where a drum group had been drinking the night before, saw it myself, and they went on to sing the next day, STILL DRUNK and reeking of alcohol. I told someone on the pow wow committee, "if you're not going to disqualify them can't you at least SAY something to them?" This was a HUGE pow wow where the governor of the state was visiting, elementary schools had brought all their children to visit for a field trip. Thus how everyone presents themselves is a big deal.

The committee member just looked at me like I was naive, like she didn't want to deal with it. I just wanted to say, "lady you people have the power to send the message to people that these actions aren't right and won't be tolerated by anyone." But nope, that drum group still won third place.

I understand that these cases I've brought up do not represent everyone, all of the pow wow world. There are some genuinely good people, good elders, good men, good drum groups out there. But I think this deserves to be discussed.

So again, I ask, what responsibility--if any--does the pow wow world have against these kinds of actions? What experiences have you had where something was handled properly? Maybe that pow wow committee can speak about its protocol so others can learn.
bad stuff bad way's attn needed big time
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:25 PM   #5
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that one bad apple he needs to go but there not much i can do about it i new to the system
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thats what the Arena Director is for boot the creeps off the dance arena and contact the powwow staff and security. And as for the drum group,probly wont get invited back by the powwow staff.alot of popular drum groups that sings contemporary gets banned even for alcohol use or drugs ,big no no who uses the drum for $$$. tsk tsk shouldnt sing at all.

if you dont like the powwow,then dont go at all.

If you see a sex offender contact the police and let them know about his whereabouts.

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I know some powwows when they have drum groups come in, they have the group sign I assume, a "morality clause". You know, no drinking, be on time, etc. You could just take that and have your headstaff do the same, but as for everyone else? Well, yeah, what they do before and after the powwow is thier own time. . .
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I find nothing wrong with a drum group smelling like booze all I care about is just as long the on time to play and play them right . Besides I don't see a drum killing people .
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