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SpeakingOwl 06-14-2013 01:28 PM

whistled songs
 
I've been involved with powwows for most of my life.perhaps not as a "professional" but traditionally i'm well grounded. I've been an Emcee for quite a number of years also.

One thing seems to come up inevitibility at one time or another, it is when a person whistles a song on the drum. I see now days, that the AD immediately runs to stop recorders, Why? I have heard many songs over the years where there may have been many whistled songs during a session.

When did it become so holy it can't be recorded and when did competitive dance become religious?

running_with_buffs 06-14-2013 05:39 PM

i want to know too i dont know anything about them whistles either, but if they are singing for a drum contest anyways i dont see why they cant record. But i dont know why either(just dont know them ways). to me a big contest powwow aint the place to get all ceromonial anyways to me.

White Powwow Dancer 06-14-2013 07:38 PM

I wanna learn too. I don't understand it too.

AmigoKumeyaay 06-15-2013 04:49 AM

Eagle Whistle Carriers
 
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AmigoKumeyaay 06-15-2013 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by running_with_buffs (Post 1582810)
i want to know too i dont know anything about them whistles either, but if they are singing for a drum contest anyways i dont see why they cant record. But i dont know why either(just dont know them ways). to me a big contest powwow aint the place to get all ceromonial anyways to me.

I do not record whistles. Even at competition powwows. Just turn off my camera.

I was at 2010 Indio Powwow, there were many whistled songs at that one.

Mostly, it was two drums getting whistled, it almost looked like a tie-breaker.

One of those drums eventually was 1st place at that powwow.


Just an observation. Like I said, I don't record out of respect.

Spiritflight 06-15-2013 07:43 PM

I don't know if this should go here... but...

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White Powwow Dancer 06-15-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AmigoKumeyaay (Post 1582840)
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AmigoKumeyaay
Thanks for the answer I was looking for.

AmigoKumeyaay 06-16-2013 10:22 AM

This is the "other side of the coin"

Even during competition powwows, the Eagle Bone Whistle is brought out for healing, honoring, and memorials.

Near the end of Gathering Of Nations 2012, Midnight Express sang for the late Jerry Cleveland, and his family.

I did not record this due to many whistles, but plenty of people recorded it, and posted to YouTube.


MNX @ GON 2012 Song for Jerry Cleveland Jr (Whistled)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxTiX-6Fsa8

AmigoKumeyaay 06-16-2013 10:37 AM

Senator Jonathan Windy Boy
 
This is my video, near the beginning of his honoring, Senator Windy Boy raised his whistle. During editing I used "Cutaway" pictures of Windy Boy to cover this whistle scene.

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Jiibay77 06-16-2013 03:45 PM

I don't usually take any videos while I am at Powwows, however I will on occasion take many photos, and I was always taught to ask first before you take any photos. So I suppose the same could be applied to Whistled songs?

milehighsalute 06-17-2013 12:55 AM

those aint whistled songs spirit those are just peruvian exploiter twinkies begging for a fast buck

wardancer 06-18-2013 12:09 AM

You know , you guys can argue this all you want , but you can buy albums of pow-wow songs that have whistled songs on them. I guess it's alright for drum groups to record them , but no one else ? BUH !

Zeke 06-18-2013 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeakingOwl (Post 1582801)
When did it become so holy it can't be recorded and when did competitive dance become religious?

1. When we began to believe our own b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t.
2. When $$$ got involved.

I recall when nobody did a Grand Entry. Then it became a thing. Soon, folks were asked to stand. Now, it's nearly ceremonial.

And nobody used to do it.

We build traditions out of the ether.

running_with_buffs 06-18-2013 10:11 AM

sure did used to just be calling song and start round dancing was keen

wardancer 06-19-2013 01:18 AM

I agree , some of my best memories are sitting in camp at Colony and hearing the calling song ! That and the flag song at dawn !

Zeke 06-19-2013 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wardancer (Post 1583074)
I agree , some of my best memories are sitting in camp at Colony and hearing the calling song ! That and the flag song at dawn !

Now I am stretching here. If I am wrong, I openly admit to being wrong. I am not a singer and I am not learned in this way.

That said, I recall a Kiowa and a Pawnee (?) flag song? I recall hearing the Kiowa flag song until it made me ill with overuse throughout Oklahoma.

I have never heard a flag song at dawn.

That would be cool.

wardancer 06-19-2013 11:29 AM

At Colony pow-wow , years ago(I haven't been in 20 or so) They sing the flag up in the morning and down at sundown. I don't know if they still do , but they used to. Cheyenne or Arapaho songs.

AmigoKumeyaay 08-25-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardancer (Post 1583009)
You know , you guys can argue this all you want , but you can buy albums of pow-wow songs that have whistled songs on them. I guess it's alright for drum groups to record them , but no one else ? BUH !

Yup, last night at PALA Powwow, Stoney Park got whistled 12 times by 4 Carriers.

People were filming, and so some Native women jumped up and warned them to stop filming.

Then one Native dude kept filming with his cell phone, and one of the Native ladies shoved him back away from the drum.

A couple of minutes later, the MC actually put over the sound system, "Please no photos or video of this whistled song"

But Natives right behind the drum were laughing, joking, texting, etc ..... so, life goes on.



I wonder how "reverent" the 49 was later that night :lol:

Zeke 08-25-2013 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigoKumeyaay (Post 1587446)
But Natives right behind the drum were laughing, joking, texting, etc ..... so, life goes on.

Basically, we're hypocrites.

The minute I got that is when I realized much of powwow stuff is inherently dumb.

And that's when I became, to those people, an "arrogant a-s-s."

Small price to pay. :tongue:

running_with_buffs 08-28-2013 04:57 PM

very small zeke


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