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Old 06-18-2008, 03:51 PM   #1
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Women in men's clothing.

I was at a powwow recently where there was a female straight dancer. In my lifetime I have also seen female traditional, grass and fancy dancers.

Are we to a point in time now where we should welcome females to do male dances?

Does this go against anyones tribal traditions?

Should women wear the pants in the family? *L
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Dang Whome, I thought you was about to confess to something here............LOL!!!
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Dang Whome, I thought you was about to confess to something here............LOL!!!

I was about to...

But now I ain't gonna.


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But now I ain't gonna.


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Whome, 50 and Badman dang.........
I'm getting images of all three of you that are very interesting.
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Dances that originated with Patrilineal Tribes I think we know the answer to this one....I'd say some get confused and overlap and compare Traditional teachings with Mainstream views.....
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Are we to a point in time now where we should welcome females to do male dances?
I've only seen one young woman dance the grass dance seriously (that wasn't in a switch contest). She was at the Skydome powwow and I believe was initiated into the society, I don't think there are many (if any) women that dance in men's outfits over where I am. If they do, usually it's just for a switch dance contest or hoop dance.
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LOL ... guess it depends on the men's clothing were talkin about and jus where the woman is wearing it .... JKZ ... im thinking theres some situations where a man wouldnt mind a woman wearing some types of men's clothings LOL

OK ... i have a neighbour .... she is now a young woman of i think 18 now. she has been dancing fancy bustle since she could walk. she is good at it ... as well as her older two brothers who dance it well too. and for a short time my own daughter who is now 6 wanted to dance prairie chicken ... another well known prairie chicken dancer jus asked us about her too he remembered her dancing LOL. she wanted to be jus like daddy LOL

i see no problem with it ... as long as protocol is followed. and we know what protocol im talking about in particular ... LOL. i havent had to privilege to see men in women's dance regalia (seriously ... im not talkin about switch dancing) around this area either. i have no problem wit it as long as they respect the dance and the regalia that goes along wit it.

it was not a short while ago (relatively) that women have been even allowed to dance ... (fancier) fancy. before that it was strictly on the sides ... a more traditional style of dance ....
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I really haven't seen it to notice it really. I did see a man dressed in a dress and go into the circle at a pow wow, now that got some attention there.

But now I have seen a man dress in a women traditional outfit, shawl and all and go into the circle like that.
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I really haven't seen it to notice it really. I did see a man dressed in a dress and go into the circle at a pow wow, now that got some attention there.

But now I have seen a man dress in a women traditional outfit, shawl and all and go into the circle like that.

Timmy,

The place I saw the woman straight dancer is the same powwow I saw you last.

I should have pointed, him, ur, her, uh ......out?
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Timmy,

The place I saw the woman straight dancer is the same powwow I saw you last.

I should have pointed, him, ur, her, uh ......out?
Oh okay, yeah I wish you would have. I didn't see them. But I did see all the ones for the switch dance. Now, that was cool.

Yeah, the one that I saw was last year, but not the same pow wow and then another one a few years back, again not the same one.

Well, maybe they will be back again this year?
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We have had the same debate about women dancing Gourd Dance with the men here on Powwows.com in the past...
The Gourd dance is a Men's dance.
In the Various Districts in this State the Straight Dance is a Men's dance.
I would be very interested to see what the reaction would be to a woman straight dancer attempting to dance at Ilonska or at Whitehorse or Pawhuska...


In a powwow we have men's style and women's styles

Men look silly dancing buckskin or southern cloth and as for Jingle
well....

so on the other side of the coin why do women want to dance mens style except to prove that they can...

I have seen a woman Fancy dancer here and for that matter a grass dancer but neither placed...
In this day and age of trans-gender changing and same sex marriages those lines are gonna be blurred
except
we have men's style and woman's style
still....
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my 3 yr old daughter dances grass on sundays of powwows. as young as she is, her desire to dance is strong! my daughter has voiced her desire to be both a fancy dancer(like her sister, auntie-mom, and two grandmas) and a grass dancer and after talking it over with her dad. he has allowed her to (he's a former grass dancer n whistle carrier). she doesnt dress crazy or act crazy and though she is still a baby, she remembers everything her daddy teaches her.
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Now see that brings up a new, but sort of the same topic here. What about those who are considered two ways. The men who live as women, but still are men--just dress and act like women. Should they go in as women with the women or go in as a man with the men? I've heard both sides of this.lol And I have seen it too. And the same in reverse for women who dress and live as men. I know a few of those too.
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it would have been interesting to ask her why she was dancing that particular dance.
crossing into another's territory (a woman walking into a men's club, a man walking into a women's club) is always going to upset the status quo.
But there might actually be a good reason for it.
Usually they have to work twice as hard to prove themselves.
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I was at a powwow recently where there was a female straight dancer.
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I seen a female straight dancer too, maybe its the same person?

I think straight dance is a man's dance like Josiah said.
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Whaddif.......... there was a switch dance and this female straight dancer wanted to enter? Would she have to don womens apparel?

Ayyee.
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where are you seeing a woman straight dancer....that just seems odd to me. Guess I don't go to the same pws as you do....or just don't pay attention.
I have seen female grass, fancy and traditional dancers but never a straight dancer. To me it a "man's dance"...isn't that what the Heluska, Ilonska, Iruska, societies are for? Is that not where the straight dance comes from?
But there are also Grass dance societies, Chicken Dance societies etc.....strictly for the men? I guess it just go to show you when you get away from the traditions behind the dance the meaning is lost. NO matter how much respect is paid toward the dance it still steers away from the initial meaning to the tribes it comes from.....

clang clang.....adding my two cents.
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