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Old 07-12-2016, 12:25 PM   #1
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Questions on a Crow Hop Song

Kwai kwai/Hello all,

Not sure where to best place this post – if it needs to be moved to a more appropriate spot, please do so.

I am from northern New England and am familiar with the traditional music styles of the Abenaki, Penobscot, Passamaquoddy-Maliseet, and Mi’kmaq; what might be described as a northern “pan-Wabanaki”, if you will.

As many of you know, the traditional music and dance styles of northern New England are considerably different than the “mainstream powwow scene” (to put it mildly!).

So, here’s where I need a bit of help and advice –

I am trying to incorporate at least one Crow Hop song into the repertoire – in making sense of the musical aspect of a typical crow hop song, it appears to be rather straightforward – the song is sung on the beat, the drum is typically beat (one beat) on the offbeat; in other words, you’re singing to the beat of 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4, etc., BUT, you’re drumming on the ‘ands’ – “one – AND –two – AND – three – AND - four- AND”. Is this understanding correct??

I also understand that the crow hop has its origins with the people of the Northern Plains. Can someone tell me if it is a dance that originated with the powwow culture in the early 1900’s or is it a more traditional dance (i.e. one with a much longer history)? Or, does it depend on who you ask? :)

Finally, is it at all possible to get the lyrics to a crow hop song – I don’t mean the vocables, but rather the language lyrics?

Ideally I’d be looking for something I can listen to on YouTube and follow along the lyrics. If this is possible, can you please let me know what specific language the lyrics are in (I have seen some lyrics in Arapaho, but can’t seem to find the specific song associated with them).

Coming from the NE tradition, these high falsetto styles seem rather difficult – I have a feeling it’s going to be an epic fail for a while until I can get the hang of at least one song down.

Thanks very much for any help or direction!

BTW – if people have questions about northern New England music/songs, I’ll be happy to answer them as best I can (mind you, I’m no expert, but I’ll try).

Geci Wliwni/Thanks!
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Old 07-12-2016, 12:42 PM   #2
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Usually for cultural information especially songs, it is proper to offer tobacco.

With that said, the Crow Hop is a traditional dance originating with the Apsaalooke' (aka Crow Nation) To the best of my knowledge their music is not written but handed down from generation to generation.
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Yes, same thing here - tobacco is usually offered. Hard to do over the internet, so (in my rusty Abenaki)...."n'maga na wdomek ta nd'alamizi wji k'wijokadwôgan." - I offer this tobacco and thank you for your help....

Thanks for the info - so, a traditional, pre-1990's dance, i.e. not an "invented" dance of the modern pow-wow originating with the Crow Nation.

I was hoping there might be an example on YouTube that someone might know the (non-vocable)lyrics to so I could try and learn it as best I can.
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Yes, same thing here - tobacco is usually offered. Hard to do over the internet, so (in my rusty Abenaki)...."n'maga na wdomek ta nd'alamizi wji k'wijokadwôgan." - I offer this tobacco and thank you for your help....

Thanks for the info - so, a traditional, pre-1990's dance, i.e. not an "invented" dance of the modern pow-wow originating with the Crow Nation.

I was hoping there might be an example on YouTube that someone might know the (non-vocable)lyrics to so I could try and learn it as best I can.
I've heard Crow Hops sung by Crow singers all my life. All are sung in vocables. Many drum groups and individual singers now compose "Crow Hops" to conform to powwow culture.
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Hmmm...interesting to know culturally that the traditional crow hop songs from the Apsáalooke' contained just vocables.

I'm thinking of a crow hop song like what "Northern Cree" or "Black Lodge Singers" sings - most of it is vocables, but I'm pretty sude thre are some actual words in there mixed in. I believe all of these would be modern composed songs.

WOuld you know of any examples on YouTube that are sung more in the traditional manner? Perhaps a Crow drum?
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Yes. There are Crow Hop songs on YouTube sung by Crow singers. But at this point please consider going through the proper protocols and offer tobacco to a knowledgeable Crow for information about their songs.
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