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Old 07-28-2012, 09:36 PM   #1
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1/64 indian?

Hello,

My heritage is mostly white, but I have a few ancestors who are full blooded Indians from different tribes all over North America. The two nations I have been able to confirm are Cherokee and Choctaw so my question is would a person be considered a part of the Cherokee nation if that persons great, great, great, full blooded grandmother married a second generation German immigrant?
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Hello,

My heritage is mostly white, but I have a few ancestors who are full blooded Indians from different tribes all over North America. The two nations I have been able to confirm are Cherokee and Choctaw so my question is would a person be considered a part of the Cherokee nation if that persons great, great, great, full blooded grandmother married a second generation German immigrant?
Based upon what you have stated, there is a possibility that you could be ENROLLED into either of these tribes...but go to their websites to read up on tribal enrollment qualifications.

Have you found your ancestors' names on the Dawes Rolls?


Have you found other blood relatives descended from the same tribal members? Have they been enrolled?
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Based upon what you have stated, there is a possibility that you could be ENROLLED into either of these tribes...but go to their websites to read up on tribal enrollment qualifications.

Have you found your ancestors' names on the Dawes Rolls?


Have you found other blood relatives descended from the same tribal members? Have they been enrolled?
Yes I have family records and census records of her being married to my great, great, great grandfather on my dad’s side and my great grandmother tells me stories before she died about her great "grandma". But I don’t know if she is enrolled anywhere, from what I have been told, all my Indian relatives are unregistered with the government in their time. I will have to look into the individual nations themselves.
My other relative is my great, great, great grandma on my mom’s side a lot less is known about her!
The ultimately goal of all this is to know if it is appropriate for me to ware warrior face paint of the Cherokee nation, in a race called “Warrior Dash” that I am about to compete in for ST. Juids children’s hospital. I don’t want to be a poser but I don’t know if I am enough of any one nation to not be!
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I would skip the face paint as being inappropriate.
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...if it is appropriate for me to ware warrior face paint of the Cherokee nation, in a race called “Warrior Dash” that I am about to compete in for ST. Juids children’s hospital.
I don't think anyone is going to care for a charity run.

Quick query though: what exactly is "warrior face paint of the Cherokee Nation?"
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I am not sure 1/64 of your bloodline. That puzzle me on this. Usually it is always 1/2 or 3/4 or 1/4 or 1/6 of your bloodline.

So you are trying to be Indian as romantic (like dreaming to become one). You don't know much about Native tradition (culture) if you are talking about something that does not sound right. Maybe a little bit if you heard someone say to you about Cherokee tradition.

There are roll names on the Dawes Rolls that you can check it out. If the person was enrolled into the reservation in Oklahoma or back in the east of the coast where they came from before the Trails of Tears. My great grandmother was Cherokee and she was not happy to walked on the long trail to Oklahoma so she escaped into the mountains. She suffered badly. We don't like roll names on the Dawes Rolls as if we were animals, not human. But that is only way to check that out and you might find your ancestor in it. I wish you luck finding what you are looking for either on the computer or asking about looking into Dawes Rolls.
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Hello,

My heritage is mostly white, but I have a few ancestors who are full blooded Indians from different tribes all over North America. The two nations I have been able to confirm are Cherokee and Choctaw so my question is would a person be considered a part of the Cherokee nation if that persons great, great, great, full blooded grandmother married a second generation German immigrant?
Criteria for enrollment with the three Cherokee Nations

Cherokee Nation: Trace to a Direct Descendant on the Final Rolls (Dawes) no minimum Blood Quantum

United Keetoowah Band: Same as above except 1/4 or more

Eastern Cherokee: Trace to a Direct Descendant on the Baker Rolls of 1924 and I believe its a minimum of a 1/8th

Using the criteria above the only tribe that would accept you for citizenship is the Cherokee Nation
However if that Ancestor did not live within the boundaries of the Cherokee Nation from 1898 to 1907 chances are they would not be on the Dawes Rolls


As for Face painting to do a Run
umm No

Maybe some Sun block in a Native Pattern like Stripes over the Nose
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At first, I thought this thread was this thread:

http://www.powwows.com/gathering/showthread.php?t=54106

I liked that 81z fellow.
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1/64 indian ??? ... there is no such thing
shyt! if u have a nose bleed ure no long "indian"
LMFAO!!!

straight to the point and blunt enough for ya?!!
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1/64 indian ??? ... there is no such thing
shyt! if u have a nose bleed ure no long "indian"
LMFAO!!!

straight to the point and blunt enough for ya?!!


Why do they always claim Cherokee? LMAO!
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That depends. If you were 1/64 African American would it be appropriate to wear blackface?
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That depends. If you were 1/64 African American would it be appropriate to wear blackface?
Do black folks grade themselves on government recognized blood quantum?
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Do black folks grade themselves on government recognized blood quantum?
I think you'll find the opposite occurred... when segregation laws were in effect, the blood quantum of a black person was measured to AVOID segregation as opposed to inclusion seen in the BQ used by the feds to determine benefits. In states that introduced the Racial Integrity Act, there was the one drop rule to either classify a person as black or white. Again, this was used for avoidance and exclusion...

The irony is that while the one drop rule applied to only those of African descent, Natives require more than one drop (according to the Govt) to be considered Indian. One is about limiting the numbers for benefits and the other is about including for the purposes of racial discrimination/segregation laws.


Funny how that works...
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The irony is that while the one drop rule applied to only those of African descent, Natives require more than one drop (according to the Govt) to be considered Indian.
1. Which, to a degree, is my point.
2. Especially about internal identification.
3. I didn't mean to be cryptic.
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