[eagleclanriverband]

Ya know, with all the discussion about these DNA tests, I've never heard that they have figured out to test about personality.

When I was a kid, I was talking to my mom about this family (in our tribe) & how it seemed like everyone in this family was mean. I was giving her examples of how they acted/what they had done.

She told me, "It's in their blood." She said that it's one of our old beliefs that personalities & character traits, just like physical traits like hair & eye color, that that is passed down through the blood. So then we talked about this other family where all the girls are really sweet & lovely. It was just their nature.

I think everybody can still choose how they want to behave & act/react in any situation, but I think what's in someone's blood plays a part too.

[wyo_rose]

Yes, I think so too! I know two sisters who have never met, but have the same father. I met the older one first, when she was a teenager and grew into a young woman, and the other was just a young girl. The older one was very bubbly, had a distictive bubbly laugh and was kinda ditzy/spacey/happy go lucky.

I went to go visit the mother of the younger girl and heard the exact same laugh coming from the younger girl. She not only grew up to resemble her older half sister, but had the same bubbly/ditzy personality. At the time, I didn't even know they were related, but after inquiring, I found out the relationship.

BTW: I sent in my saliva sample to Ancestry DNA, but it's a long wait for the results 6-10 weeks.

[Cherokee Veteran]

I am officially 5/32 Cherokee. I have my Great Uncles DNA and officially he is 5/8 Cherokee. I have noticed that ancestry picks up Asian traces with Native American blood. This makes sense since we crossed Bering Strait a long time ago.

It makes sense that Mexicans have Indian genes, since the Spainards integrated with the local tribes.

As for the accuracy of ancestry I think it is accurate. As I mentioned earlier I am 5/32 Cherokee blood which is 15.62%. Ancestry shows me at 13%, with a range of 11%-15%. Then there is a Asia South match of less than 1% and a range of 0%-2%. Which probably residual from the ancient days. This matches my calculated 5/32.

My Great Uncle is 5/8 Cherokee or 62.5%. Ancestry shows 52%, with a range of 49%-55%. Then he has Asia Central 4%, with a range of 0%-9%. There is also Asia East 2%, range of 0%-4%. This matches his 5/8.

I'd say ancestry is accurate.

[Josiah]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Veteran

I am officially 5/32 Cherokee. I have my Great Uncles DNA and officially he is 5/8 Cherokee. I have noticed that ancestry picks up Asian traces with Native American blood. This makes sense since we crossed Bering Strait a long time ago.

It makes sense that Mexicans have Indian genes, since the Spainards integrated with the local tribes.

As for the accuracy of ancestry I think it is accurate. As I mentioned earlier I am 5/32 Cherokee blood which is 15.62%. Ancestry shows me at 13%, with a range of 11%-15%. Then there is a Asia South match of less than 1% and a range of 0%-2%. Which probably residual from the ancient days. This matches my calculated 5/32.

My Great Uncle is 5/8 Cherokee or 62.5%. Ancestry shows 52%, with a range of 49%-55%. Then he has Asia Central 4%, with a range of 0%-9%. There is also Asia East 2%, range of 0%-4%. This matches his 5/8.

I'd say ancestry is accurate.

The report u received from Ancestor.com actually says your Cherokee? Or you self identify as Cherokee? For I bet you could not take that paperwork and actually register with a Federal Tribe. My next question is if your great uncle is 5/8th wouldn’t that also make your Grandfather or Grandmother the same??
My entire point with these blind tests is they are not useful to prove anything other than you posses hapalo group markers that may indicate you belong to one of 5 groups that has been identified as Native American but not what member of the 566 tribes in the United States! They do not prove that you are the descendant

[Joe's Dad]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Veteran

I am officially 5/32 Cherokee. I have my Great Uncles DNA and officially he is 5/8 Cherokee. I have noticed that ancestry picks up Asian traces with Native American blood. This makes sense since we crossed Bering Strait a long time ago.

It makes sense that Mexicans have Indian genes, since the Spainards integrated with the local tribes.

As for the accuracy of ancestry I think it is accurate. As I mentioned earlier I am 5/32 Cherokee blood which is 15.62%. Ancestry shows me at 13%, with a range of 11%-15%. Then there is a Asia South match of less than 1% and a range of 0%-2%. Which probably residual from the ancient days. This matches my calculated 5/32.

My Great Uncle is 5/8 Cherokee or 62.5%. Ancestry shows 52%, with a range of 49%-55%. Then he has Asia Central 4%, with a range of 0%-9%. There is also Asia East 2%, range of 0%-4%. This matches his 5/8.

I'd say ancestry is accurate.

When did theory become fact? Explain the Bering Strait Fact.

[ChildrenFromTheSun]

Originally Posted by Josiah

The report u received from Ancestor.com actually says your Cherokee? Or you self identify as Cherokee? For I bet you could not take that paperwork and actually register with a Federal Tribe. My next question is if your great uncle is 5/8th wouldn’t that also make your Grandfather or Grandmother the same??
My entire point with these blind tests is they are not useful to prove anything other than you posses hapalo group markers that may indicate you belong to one of 5 groups that has been identified as Native American but not what member of the 566 tribes in the United States! They do not prove that you are the descendant

Indeed, these DNA tests cannot trace your ancestry down to a cultural level. Hell, I'd argue that this is impossible, since culture is just a social construct that doesn't involve biological aspects and requirements.

There was this one DNA test that claims it can trace down the specific Native American culture(s) you descend from somehow. I used to feel thrilled and accepted the idea that this DNA test could pinpoint your cultural ancestry, but now I'm skeptical.

So the usual ancestry DNA test, such as AncestryDNA and 23andme are only useful for determining racial ancestry as there are some biological aspects involved in race; DNA is a biological aspect. Not to mention race is a largely broader classification for humans than ethnicity/culture.

Originally Posted by Joe's Dad

When did theory become fact? Explain the Bering Strait Fact.

To be fair, while the BST isn't 100% fact, it's still supported by plenty of evidence that scholars claim it's the most likely origins of the first human presence (and the first "Native Americans") in the Americas.

So what do you think of the theory? Do you find it unlikely and consider another theory on how humans appeared in the Americas?

[OLChemist]

Beware of too literally interpreting the percentages of given halotypes.

During meiotic prophase I, crossover between homologous chromosomes occurs. One sister chromatid may get a section of DNA from the homolog; the other not. When meiosis II occurs, one gamete will get the DNA with the exchanged segment, one gamete will get the DNA with the original segment. On average you get 50% of each parent's DNA sequences. However you may only get 10% of the "native" halotype sequences that your parent had.


I thought the waterbug brought up mud and the buzzard carved it into the hills and valleys at the center of the earth for you Cherokee guys.

[Cherokee Veteran]

Originally Posted by Josiah

The report u received from Ancestor.com actually says your Cherokee? Or you self identify as Cherokee? For I bet you could not take that paperwork and actually register with a Federal Tribe. My next question is if your great uncle is 5/8th wouldn’t that also make your Grandfather or Grandmother the same??
My entire point with these blind tests is they are not useful to prove anything other than you posses hapalo group markers that may indicate you belong to one of 5 groups that has been identified as Native American but not what member of the 566 tribes in the United States! They do not prove that you are the descendant

Good question. Test shows only Native American. I know Cherokee because I am a citizen of the Cherokee Nation.

[Cherokee Veteran]

Originally Posted by Joe's Dad

When did theory become fact? Explain the Bering Strait Fact.

The migration is pretty well documented and accepted among the scientific community. I don’t know what else to tell you.

[ChildrenFromTheSun]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Veteran

The migration is pretty well documented and accepted among the scientific community. I don’t know what else to tell you.

I find his issue is not necessarily that the BST is lacking in evidence and substance. It seems he's more concerned with his idea that the BST isn't 100% objective, which is true.

This doesn't mean that the BST isn't well documented and accepted. However, there are definitely some issues within and alternative anthropological theories to the BST.

Have you heard of the theory regarding migrations from the Oceania to South America?

[Cherokee Veteran]

Originally Posted by ChildrenFromTheSun

I find his issue is not necessarily that the BST is lacking in evidence and substance. It seems he's more concerned with his idea that the BST isn't 100% objective, which is true.

This doesn't mean that the BST isn't well documented and accepted. However, there are definitely some issues within and alternative anthropological theories to the BST.

Have you heard of the theory regarding migrations from the Oceania to South America?

Are you referring to who populated places like Easter Island? If so, then yes.

[WomanfromOz]

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[WomanfromOz]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Veteran

The migration is pretty well documented and accepted among the scientific community. I don’t know what else to tell you.

Very true. Most Oceania tested show small amounts of Indigenous Amazonian. Where most Indigenous Amazonian show small amounts of Oceania.

[WomanfromOz]

Originally Posted by eagleclanriverband

Ya know, with all the discussion about these DNA tests, I've never heard that they have figured out to test about personality.

When I was a kid, I was talking to my mom about this family (in our tribe) & how it seemed like everyone in this family was mean. I was giving her examples of how they acted/what they had done.

She told me, "It's in their blood." She said that it's one of our old beliefs that personalities & character traits, just like physical traits like hair & eye color, that that is passed down through the blood. So then we talked about this other family where all the girls are really sweet & lovely. It was just their nature.

I think everybody can still choose how they want to behave & act/react in any situation, but I think what's in someone's blood plays a part too.

You are right. Some of it is environmental and depends on upbringing but they have also identified genes that will determine someone's core personality. They can predict anxiety, temperament etc. it is definitely "In their blood" but that can be both genetically speaking and because their familial temperament/personality can be absorbed environmentally.

[Lone Dove]

A few of my friends are amateur genealogists and they encouraged me to start building a family tree as a hobby and confirming through dna testing so I recently did a 23 and Me dna test earlier this month (they're having holiday sales!) and they labeled part of my results under their "East Asian & Native American" combined category. I also did an Ancestry last month because it was on sale as well and they labeled part of my results under the "Native American - North, Central, South" category. I think they're both good dna tests, but Ancestry's results were more accurate because they have a larger sample population than 23 and me plus if you opt-in they have dna matching with relatives. I think they can be helpful if you're using them for things like building family trees as a hobby.

[ches]

Originally Posted by WomanfromOz

You are right. Some of it is environmental and depends on upbringing but they have also identified genes that will determine someone's core personality. They can predict anxiety, temperament etc. it is definitely "In their blood" but that can be both genetically speaking and because their familial temperament/personality can be absorbed environmentally.

This is under environment too, but position inline of birth of siblings seems to influence personality. They used to write books about the “middle child”.