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Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat? "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder". Mr. Rossie Freeman |
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![]() i am well known and respected here amongst white and chicana women because i am a poet when i talk or write..... have always been a cunning linguist.....i have a way with words
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i dont know many cherokee.....at least not many real ones that are actually indians
but the one thing i do know from the few i met, is that "hiding" is a very un-cherokee thing to do and its not likely that hoardes of tsalagi escaped to hide in the hills or whatever the twinkie fantasy is i was told that the cherokee thing to do is stick alongside your family through better or worse. not likely that many cherokee abandoned their families being marched along the trail of tears when will they ever learn????????
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Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat? "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder". Mr. Rossie Freeman |
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I have been to both Qualla Boundry and was born and raised in Eastern Oklahoma and it has been my experience that most "Cherokees" still reside within those areas to this day. The rest are decendants that moved but still have ties to those areas or have no ties whatsoever in generation after generation after generation of the individual in question...
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Why must I feel like that..why must I chase the cat? "When I was young man I did some dumb things and the elders would talk to me. Sometimes I listened. Time went by and as I looked around...I was the elder". Mr. Rossie Freeman |
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The councils have actually got together also we live in interesting times. I am still sadden with the infighting amongst UKB and CN but then that has been going on since 1840. I have kin in both and it is hard to stay neutral...
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"I on the trail of a possible good Indian lady and she is reported to like the old way's and she to believes in big family and being at home with kids all the time"... - MOTOOPI aka WOUNDED BEAR ![]() Last edited by milehighsalute; 10-02-2014 at 10:39 AM.. |
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Eastern Band is where I get my information from actually Historians that work for the Eastern Band Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians comprising of Descendants of those that resided at the time in North Carolina thru a provision called the Reservation Act of 1819 which excluded them from the Removal act of 1830 or by evading the United States Army in Tennessee and Georgia during the roundups prior to Forced Removal to Indian Territory in 1838-1839. Those that remained behind could not hold property, which by law during this time Native Americans were neither citizens of the United States nor the State where they resided, therefore they could not own or have rights to property. An adopted Cherokee named Will Thomas bought land with money that Cherokees gave him in their behalf; he held the deeds in his name and allowed the Cherokees to live on and work the land. This ambiguous status continued until after the Civil War when the Cherokee question surfaced again. After several years of legal wrangling, the Cherokee formed a corporation. As a business, the Cherokee could hold the land and the land, which was to become known as the Qualla Boundary, again the land was in Cherokee control. Eastern Band was never subject to the Allotment act of 1889 and was able to fend off attempts to force compliance until the Howard Wheeler Act of 1936 abolished Allotment. Today they live in far western North Carolina in an area known as Qualla Boundary a Land Trust not a reservation the Tribe owns the land. Enrollment is granted to the applicant if they can prove a minimum Blood Quantum of 1/16th degree of Cherokee blood and Lineal Descendant of an Ancestor that is listed on the Baker Roll of 1924. History & Culture | | Eastern Band of Cherokee Quote:
The thing is there is so much information written about the Cherokee by none Cherokees it makes your head swim/ Plus all the Fake tribes that are busy rewriting history so that they can insert them selves into it. The Problem with that is so much is written about the Cherokee that simple cross checking you discover what happened and more importantly you dicover the myths that sprung about regarding those that ran away or hid out! Why I ask would a Cherokee do that?? ANSWER THAT ONE... Why would a person that was raised all there life to protect our ways run away??
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I know about the things you mention. I have seen no evidence that the Reservation Act of 1819 would cause the military to exempt anyone from the removal even if it did make it illegal. Since when has that mattered? And any person raised to protect our ways might decide that included our land, as you know there was quite a bit of trouble over that issue. I do not say that anyone "ran away", just evaded the military round up. Again, what about Tsali? With suitable evidence I will gladly ask for salt, but not pepper as I am allergic. By the way, Thank you for your Service. Last edited by 7armadillos; 10-06-2014 at 12:24 AM.. Reason: left something out |
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i predict a smack coming down
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I do a lot of traveling around and on occasion run across other travelers that share a common heritage. Funny how we always seem to ask the same kinds of questions.
Where are you from? Lost City Who is your Grandparents?... And with just those simple questions we can sometimes find a common ancestor or at the very least know of there family or at least heard of them. Funny I could do the same thing when I spent sometime in Qualla Boundary I descend from Swimmers and Kingfishers and going back we found who had decided to go to the west and who decided to stay put. Just casual conversations while we ate together and reconnected. Funny its as simple as that, You are first part of a community and they have common language and culture and then the Big government gives them Federal Recognition! Ahhh the path to the easy life of Percaps, Free Healthcare and Free Education Glory be!!! The Haves and the Havenots Sad indeed. I can type until my fingers bleed and NOTHING will Change your Mind nor the Thousands upon Thousand that I meet when I go into Arkansas or Missouri who have just as compelling argument about evasion and escape and reforming into communities. Funny thing is I know some Cherokees that did move into Arkansas and Missouri in the latter part of the 1800's not to escape or evade but to build farms and raise families and yet to this day they still have ties to us we know there families and they are recognized as citizens. And the most patient man I have ever met is Ed Fields Language instructor for Online classes Patiently teaching Whites to sound like Cherokees Fields huh? Hmm Bunch? Well yes... Sam Fields?? Great Uncle... My Great Grandpa... Kin LoL
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All of Tsali's family was accounted for, unless of course you are reading fiction.
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Cha-Li or Old Charlie is a sad story indeed and curious why you would bring up such a story?? For no matter how its told and I am told it is even included in the Production of Unto these Hills!! It brings up a very ticklish situation, kind of the "Turd in the Punch Bowl moment" and everybody trying there best to ignore. There are some of my kin that would say that the story truly addresses the fact that the "core 200" that now make up the Eastern Band showed there true colors during that time and would do anything including hunting down and shooting there own Kinsmen to remain behind! It shows that they are truly just remnants of our old culture and by then were baptized brown people who now cash in on Chiefing and Tourist Trade. Like I said some of my Kin... We Cherokees have fought each other for a very long time. Thin bloods Full bloods half breeds. Even during the Civil War our 1st Cherokee Regiment attacked and chased Creeks across Indian Territory. Those Full bloods that refused became the 2nd Home Guard and moved up into Kansas until after the war. So Why did you bring this up I am curious?? I answered your Question... You have obviously looked at my profile and yes that is my English name. You have looked at pictures and yes I Powwow, Yes I served Honorable in the US Navy and yes I am very proud of my Granddaughter "she brings Joy to our Life". But you are a mystery man one that likes to sit in the shadows and bring up hurtful history and Zingers??? Step into the open it will be alright...
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The reason I mention Tsali is because some of his family IN NORTH CAROLINA during the removal was killed by the soldiers. Tsali's relatives that hadn't been killed were absorbed by the Eastern Band Cherokee and thus EVADED the Trail.
When you say that "some of my kin" would say things highly insulting to Eastern Cherokee, well, "Some of MY kin" would say, why are yours so insulting and is this some more of the Oklahoma Cherokee conceit that they alone are the true representatives of all Cherokee people? I thought that this was going to be an intelligent discussion of the facts surrounding the removal and the trail. This has become not a discussion but an insult-fest. By the way, I am not a man and if I was prone to sit in the shadows I would not have posted here. Past history is past history, only you can choose if you want it to hurt you or not. End of discussion as there is no point in what it has become. Last edited by 7armadillos; 10-27-2014 at 08:50 PM.. Reason: spelling correction |
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So now would be a good time to eat your words, lick your fingers too... |
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1. They did not survive. 2. More importantly, Why would they stay with the very people that just killed Tsali and sons? 3. I wrote the fact that ALL three have been fighting and insulting each other for 175 years by saying oklahoma cherokees demostrates your lack of knowledge of the Anikituwah peoples or what is known as old settlers 4. You yourself added information to this discussion that had no bearing on the discussion by your previous posts that I dont know what I am talking about. 5. I answered in kind 6. This is not my first discussion about this subject 7. Documents and not myths and legends always hold up to scrutiny Next
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