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Old 04-27-2016, 10:03 PM   #61
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You found them first , they're yours. Someday you'll know what to do with them.

I was just kidding about sendin them to me , I have a whole eagle in the freezer I haven't decided what to do with yet ! LOL

Decide to send it to JD.

My poor bird has been through 3 divorces.
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Ahh heck. The cat just jumped on the freaking keyboard and erased a half an hour of work.
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The teenager saying "I'm very mature for my age" fills me with trepidation. I vaguely remember that at that age I thought I was very mature. I was not. I was an arrogant -- uh, it rhymes with the name for a tool, used to hew wood.


These are pretty tame. My mother would have let me read these:

David Treuer, Rez Life: An Indian's Journey Through Reservation Life; Atlantic Monthly Press, 2013.

Roger L. Welsch, Embracing Fry Bread: Confessions of a Wannabe; Bison Books, 2012. (Welsch has been involved in Indian communities and repatriation issues for half a century. He has some good insights.)

Jack Weatherford, Native Roots: How the Indians Enriched America; Ballantine Books, 1992.

Jack Weatherford, Indian Givers: How Native Americans Transformed the World; Ballantine Books, 1988.

Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States; Beacon Books, 2015.

Vic Glover, Keeping Heart on Pine Ridge; Native Voices, 2004.
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Decide to send it to JD.

My poor bird has been through 3 divorces.
i thought eagles mated for life?


i wonder what elk tastes like lol
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i thought eagles mated for life?


i wonder what elk tastes like lol
Joe'sDad's eagle didn't.....well , maybe it seemed like 3 lifetimes !


Tastes just like ...ELK ! Yummy !Some of the best steaks I ever ate were elk ! And last year we got a roast ! Man it was good !


J'sD if I give you any more feathers yer gonna get mixed up with Josh B ! We can't be havin that !
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Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
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Grits , you bail my boy "G" outa jail yet??? His wife's gonna skin his head !
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Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
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i was thinking we get him outta the slammer like they did in powwow highway
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First lesson !

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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

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Now "John Wayne's Teeth" is stuck in my head
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now its gonna be in your head too ...
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I love KOBJ they play the biggest variety of music ever and they report on all the important stuff and tribal news and sometimes they are really funny too. Thank you for all the links OLChemist they are really helpful and I am learning a lot. I get really bored sometimes and I always like researching stuff. You are really cool.
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Tastes just like ...ELK ! Yummy !Some of the best steaks I ever ate were elk ! And last year we got a roast ! Man it was good !


J'sD if I give you any more feathers yer gonna get mixed up with Josh B ! We can't be havin that !
You'd be able to tell us apart by our facepaint.
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You forgot this one !

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They say blood is thicker than water ! Now maple syrup is thicker than blood , so are pancakes more important than family ?

There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

but there's a bigger

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There are "Elders" and there are "Olders". Being the second one doesn't make the first one true !

Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





There's a chance you might not like me ,

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I keep seeing a lot of stuff like "Spiritual things and medicine are very private, you don't talk about them to others." so how do you learn anything or understand anything if you can't talk to other people about it? How do you know what to do or how to handle certain things if you aren't allowed to ask for help? I have things I want to understand too but nobody to ask.
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I keep seeing a lot of stuff like "Spiritual things and medicine are very private, you don't talk about them to others." so how do you learn anything or understand anything if you can't talk to other people about it? How do you know what to do or how to handle certain things if you aren't allowed to ask for help? I have things I want to understand too but nobody to ask.
That's just NDN way. There is a time and a place for those things. Go back and read what WD, JD, OLC, and MHS beed saying. They have already given you a lot!

I waited years, and there are a lot of answers I may never find. Over the years though, Creator has been good to me, and my NDN elders have always given me what I need! One thing I have learned: There is no instant gratification. You are talking about a way of life.

Just typing this response feels white. Understand I am not saying this to hurt your feelings.

If you were in front of me I would ask you just like I ask my nephew:

"Hey, Are you Indian?"
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I keep seeing a lot of stuff like "Spiritual things and medicine are very private, you don't talk about them to others." so how do you learn anything or understand anything if you can't talk to other people about it? How do you know what to do or how to handle certain things if you aren't allowed to ask for help? I have things I want to understand too but nobody to ask.
You know , I wondered the same thing....about 40+ years ago !

Time and patience ! I know that's not what you really want to hear , but that's what it's about !
First is find out who you really are. Then learn as much about that as you can ! It'll get to you eventually !
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...so how do you learn anything or understand anything if you can't talk to other people about it? How do you know what to do or how to handle certain things if you aren't allowed to ask for help?
Remember what I said about no Greece? Western methods of inquiry are shaped by Plato's Socratic Dialogues (look it up ). In the west you question and you debate. Classroom learning is deductive -- ie I stand in the front my students lecturing and demonstrating. I will tell them what patterns they should see and how they should preform a task. Then I will probe their understanding by questioning. And they will refine their understanding by questioning me.

Native learning is different. It is largely inductive. There is no Socrates in the front of the classroom, question and debating. There are eyes and ears and brain. You observe and reflect. You watch others and when ready copy. The patterns slowly emerge. The instructor models. When you must offer direction it is done without imposing on the autonomy of student, often by analogy.

You need to understand the Native system was designed to produce an autonomous individual, capable of participating in the communal action required for survival in our traditional economies. Patience is a key factor. You do do when the time is right.
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I am the least patient person I know, but if you're all saying that that's what I need, then you must be right. I am sorry for asking too many questions. I am a very inquisitive person, but I will try to sit quietly and have better manners. Sorry.
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