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Old 05-28-2010, 02:18 PM   #41
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Hey Y'all, I've always felt the best listening to tribal music and going the Pow Wow in Austin, TX. in fact, two years ago was my first time and I was stuck in a wheel chair (fibromyalgia) I went back this year on my own feet (barely) and managed to dance twice. I could feel my spirit and my body healing as I followed the drums.... The thing is that town rumors in Grand Saline, Texas said that my Great-grand Henry Taylor, was off a res in Oklahoma. All he would ever tell anyone about himself was his name. No birthdate, no family info, no birthplace other than Oklahoma. My Dad was told that the dark rims around our iris' indicate a Cherokee connection and today I met a wonderful lady who says that my less prominent eye sockets are also a sign of a Native American connection.

I know two things, 1. I've never felt a sense of belonging anywhere...until I started going to Pow Wows, and 2. I can't scrape up the $$$ for the DNA testing.

Any tips or ideas?

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Never heard of the iris thing but hey who knows
Heard of the cheekbone thingy but not the sunken eyes


Looked up Henry Taylor and got 23 thousand "hits"
narrowing the search to just Dawes Packets the "hits" reduced to 14,896!!!
I found many many Henry Taylors
Mississippi Choctaw Rolls
Choctaw
Chickasaws
Creek
Cherokee by Blood
Cherokee Freedman

You will need a bit more information like birth dates or Death dates perhaps an age at some period of time
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I know I'm of Cherokee heritage but I don't have a rim around my iris's. I also have high cheek bones.
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I am interested in finding out my information on native american background. I have 4 tribes. 2 tribes from each parent How do I go about finding more information?
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I am interested in finding out my information on native american background. I have 4 tribes. 2 tribes from each parent How do I go about finding more information?
Start with the tribal history and go from there.
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Hello ,I was told all my life we were Native American on both my mother and fathers sides of the family. I have been searching for a few years now with no luck . Recently I found some information on my father's side through his mother(my grandmother) . Apparently my 5th great Grandmother is listed as American Indian ,Zilpha B Horner (American Indian)
Birth
July 18, 1763
NJ, USA



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February 4, 1849 (85)
WV, USA
now I found this on Geni.com through a google search on my grandmother Margaret Dies Hoy . I was told that the nation was Lakota . Then at a recent PowWow here a Lakota from PineRidge told me that the Dies name is perhaps Dakota, maybe from another reservation. Didnt find out about my 5th great grandmother till after I had spoke with this gentleman ,here's my delema there is no listing of a nation as you can see . And my grandmothers maiden name Dies, has been changed from Dias Diaz and Dies apparently its traced back to my 5th great grandmother Zilpha Horner who is listed as American Indian.
On my mothers side I was always told of us being Cherokee. I have traced the names my grandmother was Esther Steele Mardis (parents Bruce Edward Steele and Mabel Steele) found an Ollie Steele on the Baker's rolls and grandfather was James Mardis parents(Foster Mardis and Viola Sears Mardis) somehow supposed to be connected to the family name Walkingshaw . Im not exactly sure of my mothers side either cant find no exact details does any of these names sound familar to anybody? I am on a limited income so I can't afford to pay the fees on those different sites.
I also found out through my fiance's cousin that my 5th great grandmother at the age of 92 (Zilpha B Horner)filled a claim for a pension through the revolutionary war that was found on ancestry.com for me .
Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you
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Hello ,I was told all my life we were Native American on both my mother and fathers sides of the family. I have been searching for a few years now with no luck . Recently I found some information on my father's side through his mother(my grandmother) . Apparently my 5th great Grandmother is listed as American Indian ,Zilpha B Horner (American Indian)
Birth
July 18, 1763
NJ, USA



Death:

February 4, 1849 (85)
WV, USA
now I found this on Geni.com through a google search on my grandmother Margaret Dies Hoy . I was told that the nation was Lakota . Then at a recent PowWow here a Lakota from PineRidge told me that the Dies name is perhaps Dakota, maybe from another reservation. Didnt find out about my 5th great grandmother till after I had spoke with this gentleman ,here's my delema there is no listing of a nation as you can see . And my grandmothers maiden name Dies, has been changed from Dias Diaz and Dies apparently its traced back to my 5th great grandmother Zilpha Horner who is listed as American Indian.
On my mothers side I was always told of us being Cherokee. I have traced the names my grandmother was Esther Steele Mardis (parents Bruce Edward Steele and Mabel Steele) found an Ollie Steele on the Baker's rolls and grandfather was James Mardis parents(Foster Mardis and Viola Sears Mardis) somehow supposed to be connected to the family name Walkingshaw . Im not exactly sure of my mothers side either cant find no exact details does any of these names sound familar to anybody? I am on a limited income so I can't afford to pay the fees on those different sites.
I also found out through my fiance's cousin that my 5th great grandmother at the age of 92 (Zilpha B Horner)filled a claim for a pension through the revolutionary war that was found on ancestry.com for me .
Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you
Whenever you are doing research you have to pull back and look at the Big Picture

Most Native Americans in the 19th century did not have sir names as was common with the Europeans.
Cherokees for instance had a Name period no last name. It was not till the later part of the of the 1880's and even rolls in the 1890's it was very common to only see one name. Another thing about Cherokee names, Translators and census takers were not well verse in proper english. I find mispellings all time and the use of phoentics to write down names on the rolls. Just because you find one name on a particular roll is nothing, you must find other evidence that it is indeed the person you are looking for.
A good example is my Great Grandfather, His english name is Alix, but was written as Aleck,Alec,Alect and his Cherokee name was Soot, Smoke or brown all the same person. It was the rest of the Family group that i could determine That was the one and only Alix! Go back a generation from him and they also did not use a Sir Name so it was merely Lewis in English or his Cherokee Name.

Now for Lakotas it was not very common for any of them to be running around in the east marrying people let alone have a sir name. Most of there sir names came from the translation of there names as was common with most Natives at the turn of the century usually around the 1880's and beyond.

One last point and this is very important.
Each tribe had an agency
Each agency hated duplications because that meant more paperwork. So when they did a count and you were not there as far as they were concerned you were gone! It was a Headcount, Thats all they cared about so that they could distrubute supplies or money or whatever they were counting for.
Some Agencies counted Yearly some only counted on Distrubution day it depends. But if you review those records you will only see names, not how old or where they lived or how many children just names. It was not till later that they started writing down that information and it was only as good as the person telling it.

I would find it hard to believe that a Lakota was living in the East in the mid 1800's and even harder to believe that person had a sir name that you could trace to a specific tribe.

Another Point the Baker Roll was done in 1924 in North Carolina, You had to be physically living in North Carolina at the time of the Roll. Another criteria was to find your name on a previous roll in this case it would been the Miller Guinon Roll which listed all Eastern Cherokees living on either side of the mississippi and was done in 1907.

You must research the rolls and when they were done to fully understand if you will find an ancestor on them. Plus you must use other sources to determine if that is the person you have actually found.

So in the Steele case did they live in North Carolina in 1924? Were they listed on previous Rolls such as the Miller Guinon Roll of 1907?
I have done alot of research amongst these rolls and one thing I can positively tell you is this: If they are on these rolls they physically lived in that area and you can trace back many many generations Parents grandparents great grandparents aunts uncles brothers sisters ect ect.
If somebody left to live somewhere else they always left some family behind. Even my Great Granpa who was an orphan I found his parents and the people that took him in when he was 10... They were all listed on the Rolls.

This takes alot of patience and yes can be done with little or no money, but you have to let the records take you where they are going to go and have no preconcieved notions about your ancestors.
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Another point about Nnd Names
May not be the same name as when they wrote it down

Squirrel Flopper is Today just Squirrel

Pumpkin Pile Kicker is Pumpkin

Deer-in-the-water is Deerinwater

Kin of Hawk is today Hawkins

just to name a few
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thank you for your info I will take what you have said and search some more I know that its not going to be easy . My Uncles and Aunts say its definately the Sioux nation now not sure about the Lakota . I dunno but will continue to learn from advise and find the answers . I hope you all have a good day again thank you
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thank you for your info I will take what you have said and search some more I know that its not going to be easy . My Uncles and Aunts say its definately the Sioux nation now not sure about the Lakota . I dunno but will continue to learn from advise and find the answers . I hope you all have a good day again thank you
As for the word Sioux it encompasses alot of Nations
Lakota is Sioux same with Dakota,Oglala,Santee,Rosebud and others
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I would greatly appreciate if you could look for me as I do not have access to that. My maternal grandmother was born Lola June Lewis (6/6/1925-3/3/1996 Muskogee, OK). Her father was Ralph Lewis (no info-FB Cherokee, illegitimate born on rez???). Her mother is Mina Claborn (5/1/1905 New Mexico). Mina's mother was Martha Elizabeth "Mattie" Cope (1867 in MIssouri 1930 lived in Henryetta, OK). Mattie's father was John L Cope (Feb 1842 Wilkes NC) and her mother was Sarah Mills (July 1843 OKC, OK). Mattie is supposed to be FB Cherokee/Choctaw, but I have never made any connection with her to any Dawes Rolls or ever found Ralph Lewis to exist on paper except in a 1923 marriage certificate to Mina Claborn. All were registered as white in US Federal Censuses.
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I would greatly appreciate if you could look for me as I do not have access to that. My maternal grandmother was born Lola June Lewis (6/6/1925-3/3/1996 Muskogee, OK). Her father was Ralph Lewis (no info-FB Cherokee, illegitimate born on rez???). Her mother is Mina Claborn (5/1/1905 New Mexico). Mina's mother was Martha Elizabeth "Mattie" Cope (1867 in MIssouri 1930 lived in Henryetta, OK). Mattie's father was John L Cope (Feb 1842 Wilkes NC) and her mother was Sarah Mills (July 1843 OKC, OK). Mattie is supposed to be FB Cherokee/Choctaw, but I have never made any connection with her to any Dawes Rolls or ever found Ralph Lewis to exist on paper except in a 1923 marriage certificate to Mina Claborn. All were registered as white in US Federal Censuses.
As what I posted in another thread
Its about Location
The Dawes Commission were only concerned with Cherokees
1) Living
2) Counted on 1896 and 1880 Census Roll of Cherokee Nation
3) Residing in the Cherokee Nation of Indian Territory

Another point to all of this
If a person was Cherokee and left the Boundries to make a go of it on there own they would leave other family such as Uncles, Aunts, Cousins Cherokees were prolific at procreation, its why there are so many Cherokees to begin with. Its calculated that we numbered in the 100,000 at first contact with Desoto in the 1500's! But because of Wars and Disease, our numbers dwindled to about 40,000 by 1907.
Another Point is Names:
Cherokees did not use surnames prior to the 1880's that was a European thing your name was what people called when talking to you in Cherokee.
However Cherokees slowly started using surnames and its evident when you look at the 1851 rolls, perhaps 20% or 30% did. The Cherokees that did, used the ancestor such as Father or Grandfather's name that had been translated into english as the family surname. Prior to this you belonged to a Clan more specifically your MOTHER'S clan but Clans were going away as Cherokees were converted and they began using the Father's name as there surname! So going back to your ancestors:


Lola June Lewis (6/6/1925-3/3/1996 Muskogee, OK) She would be a Too-Late and not enrolled on the Dawes Roll born well after the closing of the Dawes Rolls (1898-1907)

Ralph Lewis Not found on any Roll (Dawes,Miller,1896,1880) I also broadened my search and looked in every roll ever done and a Ralph Lewis does not come up. Lewis was a common First name but not so as a last name.

Mina Claborn (5/1/1905 New Mexico) Not Found probably a Too Late if parents enrolled she was born in 1905 and typically most Cherokees enrolled by 1902

Martha Elizabeth "Mattie" Cope (1867 in Missouri 1930 lived in Henryetta, OK). If she was born in Missouri it meant her parents lived in Missouri in 1867 and typically were not Cherokees.(My point to this is if you lived within the boundries of the Cherokee Nation in say 1867, you as a citizen of the Cherokee Nation could farm any land you wanted, did not pay taxes to the US Gov and were free to move anywhere within our boundries as you please to farm where ever you pleased) Not so outside the boundries say in Missouri you had to purchase the land and whatever you farmed was subject to taxes. If your land was not good land to farm first you had to sell your farm then move to another location and purchase another farm somewhere else. This is why the Allotement act was so devastating to the 5 Civilized tribes IT destroyed them!

John L Cope (Feb 1842 Wilkes NC) He is the only name I see that lived close enough to a Cherokee Tribe in this case Eastern Band of the Cherokee Tribe so its possible to find him on the 1851 Chapman Roll, or even the Sveltland Roll done in 1847/1846. Nada actually I found no family groups with the surname of COPE in any roll west or east at any time.
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Have you ever seen or had access to records of Native Americans in upstate NY before all the removals took place? I saw a census of Native Americans from there several years ago and found a GGG grandfather named Isaac Johnson on it but failed to make a copy of it. He was listed as Cherokee. I did not think I needed a copy at that time but now would like one.
I have lost either the connection or the access to that record and would like a copy of it. He lived upstate NY near the Finger Lakes regions.
He removed to Ohio in early 1800s prior to I believe 1820 or 1830.He appears in the Ohio 1830 census as head of household in Washington county.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Have you ever seen or had access to records of Native Americans in upstate NY before all the removals took place? I saw a census of Native Americans from there several years ago and found a GGG grandfather named Isaac Johnson on it but failed to make a copy of it. He was listed as Cherokee. I did not think I needed a copy at that time but now would like one.
I have lost either the connection or the access to that record and would like a copy of it. He lived upstate NY near the Finger Lakes regions.
He removed to Ohio in early 1800s prior to I believe 1820 or 1830.He appears in the Ohio 1830 census as head of household in Washington county.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Here is a link that I came across that could help some of you to search your family history.


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Zilpha Horner, I am her descendent

It's been a while since you submitted this on Zilpha Horner. Zilpha was a Cherokee-Lenape from New Jersey. She married an English man with the last name of Horner... that is why she has a surname. She would NOT be listed on any Cherokee rolls... she died before then in Wetzel County, West Virginia at the age of 97 years old. (1855, I believe)... I am her descendent. DNA has me at between 1/4th AND 1/8th NA. I look every bit of it. Hope this helps... No, don't bother going by looks though. You cannot go by high cheekbones, straight dark hair... you must either do your family tree correctly or have a DNA test. Saves you time and guessing. But DNA is not the final answer, many are now finding out.

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Hello ,I was told all my life we were Native American on both my mother and fathers sides of the family. I have been searching for a few years now with no luck . Recently I found some information on my father's side through his mother(my grandmother) . Apparently my 5th great Grandmother is listed as American Indian ,Zilpha B Horner (American Indian)
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now I found this on Geni.com through a google search on my grandmother Margaret Dies Hoy . I was told that the nation was Lakota . Then at a recent PowWow here a Lakota from PineRidge told me that the Dies name is perhaps Dakota, maybe from another reservation. Didnt find out about my 5th great grandmother till after I had spoke with this gentleman ,here's my delema there is no listing of a nation as you can see . And my grandmothers maiden name Dies, has been changed from Dias Diaz and Dies apparently its traced back to my 5th great grandmother Zilpha Horner who is listed as American Indian.
On my mothers side I was always told of us being Cherokee. I have traced the names my grandmother was Esther Steele Mardis (parents Bruce Edward Steele and Mabel Steele) found an Ollie Steele on the Baker's rolls and grandfather was James Mardis parents(Foster Mardis and Viola Sears Mardis) somehow supposed to be connected to the family name Walkingshaw . Im not exactly sure of my mothers side either cant find no exact details does any of these names sound familar to anybody? I am on a limited income so I can't afford to pay the fees on those different sites.
I also found out through my fiance's cousin that my 5th great grandmother at the age of 92 (Zilpha B Horner)filled a claim for a pension through the revolutionary war that was found on ancestry.com for me .
Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you
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The couple behind the service are my cousin Bill O'Reilly and his wife Becky Layne O'Reilly. Together they have more than five decades of experience delving into family histories as far back as 30 generations and 1,200 years. They are also among the small army of genealogist volunteers ready to delve through the 1940 census data to make it more accessible to the rest of us in the coming months and years .Because of our family connection you may believe I have an ulterior motive in writing about the service, but I would never recommend any product or service if I didn't firmly believe it was worthwhile, regardless of who was behind it.

Rather than linking to searchable genealogical resources, AncesStory offers to do the researching for you. To get a free consultation about the services Bill and Becky can offer you, fill out a simple online form with your name, an e-mail address, and a brief comment on the information you're looking for.

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For $325 AncesStory provides 12 hours of research, printed copies of the reports (with index), and printed copies of the marriage, birth, death, census, and other records found during the research (note that there may be extra printing and postage costs). The $475 plan offers 18 hours of research and adds genealogical files in FTM and GEDCOM format.
I am interested in hiring someone. I am adopted & on my own have found my bio parents & from them have gotten some genealogy but not as much as I would like. Finding them took me about 8 years & I've been in contact with them for about 10 years. I don't have a close relationship with them but we are amicable. I don't have the time now, that I did then, to put in to find the info that I want. They say I am is Yaqui & Apache mixed with Mexican. I always thought of myself as just american mexican (I like the american part first I know that is not the norm) knowing that many mexicans have indigenous blood. I have had DNA done thru genebase & that's fine but I want people & dates & names &......

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I have always been told I have Cherokee Indian in me my dad and grandfather looked like they had a good bit of Indian in them they both had dark skin and hardly no body hair I would like to find out how much I have in me I just don't know how to go about doing it any ideas would be greatly appreciated I live in west Tennessee I am from Georgia thanks in advance for any info anyone would have
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hello my name is Brandy Monique Bramlett Cobb
I have always been told I have Cherokee Indian in me my dad and grandfather looked like they had a good bit of Indian in them they both had dark skin and hardly no body hair I would like to find out how much I have in me I just don't know how to go about doing it any ideas would be greatly appreciated I live in west Tennessee I am from Georgia thanks in advance for any info anyone would have
I would ask your Dad or Granddad for if they were Cherokee, I would suspect that would know from whom. For you need the names of who they descended from, otherwise it is just a shot in the dark.

I suggest you go about it with an open mind and trace backwards with what you do know, such as name of parents, grandparents, great parents ect. Try to write down as much information as you know about them such as birth and death dates, maiden names of females and siblings of any of them as far back as you can go. Armed with these facts then you can do several searches starting with federal censuses building information as you go. Location is key in your en-devour to figure out where they were born and you will develop a picture. If you go back in time and find that for as many generations as you can find that your people lived in Georgia clear back to 1838 chances are they will not be Cherokee.
We were pushed out of Georgia in 1838, Those that were not rounded up headed with family into Quala Boundary in North Carolina. Those were counted on rolls in 1842,1848,1851,1860,1870,1907 and 1924 they are today known as Eastern Band of Cherokee. The majority that were Kicked out of Georgia walked to Indian Territory and were also counted on just as many rolls if not more today known as Cherokee nation of Oklahoma.
At the same time just as many Creeks, Choctaws and Seminoles were also kicked out of Georgia.
So like I said you need to get a bit more information to begin.
I on occasion do some research if you p/m on here and give me as much info as you have and I will take a look.
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