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Old 10-04-2011, 11:06 AM   #41
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I'm still waiting to find out where I can get all that free stuff ! I'd take a nice new Avalanche (to drive to pow-wows)And how do I go about NOT paying taxes ???
Sign me up for the free stuff too,,, my wheels are rusted and dying and yet I patch it up all the time!
CHEROKEE CHAMPION and REDSKIN4EVA is the very same person.. think we are just dumb fugz??? No brain no pain! Oh I just realized which ever he wants to be... he has something in common with pampers diapers! Both full of ****e and both get tossed when full!!! Arogance to the nines.... pitty he can't use his degree to wipe the ****e off his own table and clean up!
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I have the utmost sympathy and compassion for the plights of abused children, women, dogs and those little ants children burn up with magnifying glasses (unless they're fire ants -- they deserve NO mercy)... but you, Sir... You are a grown man.

And if you are looking for sympathy, buck up, because you aren't getting any from me.

I understand now that you may feel entitled but we make our own destinies... we must determine our own paths -- with or without a "card." Do you really think that your life will be better, that your past hurts will be alleviated because the government now will have you on their roll call, that someone "recognizes" you as Indian and you may have benefits "owed" you?

Sorry, bucko but if you want to really be recognized for something --- do something worth being recognized for? Don't ride on the coattails of your ancestors. They are there to guide you and to help you find your path... not walk it for you.

Unfortunately, I think you're wallowing in your own past miseries and wanting other's to pay for whatever has really happened in your past instead of taking the lessons and leading a life to be proud of.

Pride comes from the inside and shines outward. Your pride is like that of a boy -- dressed up in wolf's hide pretending to be this big, bad predator capable of anything when inside you're really shaking in fear as the thunder of old age approaches and the nightmares of your past linger on.

I wish you the best of luck in your quest - I hope you find the peace and solace that you need to heal those past pains. But there is no need for you to stir things up here. Go yell at the sky about your miseries... go run up a mountain and pound out the anguish and leave it to the Earth to heal you... but this is not the place for that.

We would help and be your friend -- unfortunately, you have not chosen very wisely.

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I am the Chief of the Sac and Fox Tribe in Oklahoma.
We have some pretty "washed-up" citizens in my tribe, but none this severe. I believe every bit of your story and hope you get your card soon. You truly deserve a compensation for your hardships. I sent you a message to your inbox with my personal cell phone number. Please contact me and I will pull some strings to get you into our tribe. We are located in Stroud Oklahoma. My tribe has several different funds for adults and each one comes with a monthly check between 1,000 and 4,000 dollars. We are actually the 2nd wealthiest uncivilized tribe in Oklahoma. Our tribe has a very violent war history, but our casinos in Shawnee and Stroud do a great job at giving us financial compensating for our past.

We have a bad reputation here in Oklahoma, from diabetes to moral inequities; but all off our members over 18 years old can be seen driving escalades and having plasma television sets in their homes. Please check your inbox. My name is Chief Thurman.

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I strongly agree with alot of what you had to say, and im sure you have had your share of personal hardships that come with not having "the card". Thats cool that you speak from your heart, but unfortunately, there are still some people that prefer the term Native American over American Indian. One of the realest Indians that i have ever met is Willie Nelson. Im not sure what tribe he is from, but he is a REAL oklahoma Indian. He doesnt pay taxes and he smokes whatever he wants, all because he is Indian. One time at a concert, a fan with a backstage pass came up to him and called him a Native American. Willie almost killed him right then and there. Got in the fans face and said he is an American Indian, and if u ever call me a Native again, i will rip your head off and sh!t down your throat. Thats Willie Nelson for ya. Real Oklahoma Indian. Anyways....

I hate to compare my hardships to Redskinforevers, but it needs to be done. I ran track back in highschool. Won the state championship. There was a representative from Haskell University at the meet who came and talked to me and sais i could go to Haskell completely free. He could tell by the way i looked that i was an Indian, so he told me and my family to drive up to kansas and take a look. So, that summer, the family that i have left (just an aunt and uncle now, ill explain why later) loaded up the station wagon and took a drive up to Lawrence. So we get there, some guy takes us on a tour of the campus, dorms, etc...and gives me a form to fill out that asks for my roll number. I told him i dont have one. He smirks and says "we arent going to let you go here, because you dont have an Indian card".

Let flashforward to last spring when i was running on the roads in Oklahoma City and was hit by a dismantled driver. They were a white family, and could tell i was severely bleeding and injured but internally and externally. Since they could also tell that i was an Indian, and the scene of the accident took place only 1 mile from the Oklahoma City Indian clinic, they loaded me up and drove me there. After arrival at the clinic, i was bleeding profously on the floor, and asked for my roll number. I told them i dont have one. They immediately said they refuse to treat me, all becuase i dont have an Indian card. I broke my back, ribs, neck, ruptured my spleen, lost 4 teeth, and lost over a pint of blood, and they refused to treat me, all because i dont have an Indian card.

Lets flashback to 5th grade, I was 10 years old at the time. My teacher was an extremely odd man who resembled the artist Prince and listen to Prince music every single day. One day while we were all at recess, he called me inside the building. He took me into a dark closet, and sodomized me. It devastated my life. I could not crap for a month and had intensive counciling until my highschool years. My parents contacted an Indian lawyer to file charges of Child Molestation, and the lawyer told my parents that he cannot help me becuase i do not have an Indian card.

Last but not least, in 7th grade (2 years after the sodomy accident), i was riding in the backseat while my parents were driving. We were driving away from the sun and Indian family (card holders) were headed towards us full speed, heading into the sun. They hit us head on. It killed both of my parents. I was not injured. My aunt and uncle (who raised me after that date) tried to file negligent homicide charges against the drivers of the other vehicle, but it did not work because the judge said they "fall under a different law than my parents". You see, the accident happened on Indian land, and since other party had Indian cards and my party did not, they could not try them in court. If i had that little plastic Indian card, then we could have prosecuted them in Tribal court, but that was not the case. Basically they got away with murdering my parents, all because they have an Indian card and i dont.

All of the tribal vs tribal politics are exactly what the white man wanted. He wanted us to hate each other and turn against each other. The white man doesnt want ANYBODY to be Indian. Since i am genetically Indian, and theres all these financial benefits and programs for people who are Indian, then why dont you allow me to be that? I am what i am, so why dont you let me be who i am? The government will not allow many people to be who they are, simply because of the last-name-on-a-roll system. We all know that being legally Indian is not a "blood thing". It is a last name thing. When the white man first came, he went around to all of the tribes and took what was called a "roll". It was a sign up sheet. Many Indians did not sign up on the sheet or missed the sign up date. Now, even the FULL BLOOD decendants of those Indians are not allowed to be a member of their tribe because their ancestor did not sign up on the sign-up sheet aka roll.

I am amazed at the sheer genius of the white man and how he so strategically planned all of this, just to turn us against each other. Indian law makes us hate our own people, especially in the realms of enrollment/citizenship. Inside vs Outside. I cant possibly put a great enough emphasis on the fact that Europeans had such a malicious intent. guess what...it worked. Look at the ppl among us right now. Disputing over the law. I wont issue any promises or engagements like Redskin forever did, but i will issue a continuous reminder to all Indians; never despise other Indians. They didnt start the law. The white man started the law. Exhibit all of your anguish upon him. He started it.

What, exactly, do you think is the entire point of being Indian? The entire point of being Indian is to SUCCEED in the white mans world, all in the midst of being Indian. Why do you think the tribes in Oklahoma make all of these tv commercials of Doctors or Nurses or Scientists who have Indian Cards? To show Indians that have been successfull in the white mans world. Thats what its all about. Im not sayin if u cant beat em, join em. Im not saying that. Our time ended when the white man first came in 1492. But being Indian is who i am, and who i always will be. So i might as well be successfull in the meantime. Being "so proud to live, so proud to die" was not referring to my caliber of pride, but moreso the fact that my pride was a permanent concept. I am an Indian because of the life that i live. If the white man give hate, then what do you think im going to do? Im going to give love.

To me pride is something that can never......ever........be touched.
My pride aint on my skin. It aint on my clothes. its in my heart.
I could take off all my clothes and be butt naked and go to a powwow and dance completely naked, and im no more or less of an Indian. Like I said, its not something u or anybody else will ever......ever.......be able to touch. Its chained to my heart. Its chained to my brain. Even tattoos are physical and can be removed. My pride will never......ever.......be removed, because its chained inside of my heart. Tattooed INSIDE of my heart. Tattooed INSIDE of my brain. Its a ball and chain. Its who I am. Its who I always will be. Proud to live, and proud to die, was referring to my spiritual level. I was proud to live an indian, and i was proud to die as an Indian. Proud have lived an indigenous life, and proud to have died an indigenous death. My pride revolves around the fact that it can never be taken away. Even at the level and instance of death, death would not remove my pride, because im still proud to have lived.......and proud to have died.........as an Indian. So proud to live. So proud to die. I dont belong to this world. This is my physical body. My pride is my God. I worship my own pride. I am a walking ball of pride. My death will serves as a "martyr" for the Indian Spirit. Its a "waiting game" because my pride is anxiously waiting for my death, because my pride knows that death will only make me more proud, and that it will make the Indian Spirit more proud because I was willng to die because of my pride, and take my pride with me to my grave and to my afterlife. My pride gives me everlasting life. With the Indian Spirit there is no loneliness. There is no anger. There is no pain. Only happiness and pride for who u are. If u belong to the Spirit World, then u are not subject to the pains of the earthly world because they do not apply to u and have no influence on ur personal pride. Pride is something to fall back on and becomes stronger as u continue to be discriminated against. This is just who I am. U can abuse me for being who I am and my body and pride will take the abuse with grace, because I am still proud to be the person u are harrassing and proud to be the person u are harrassing me for. I am using the word u as haters in general. Pride is personal. Pride is selfish. Pride is narcissistic. Pride is a sin. If u are a christian, then u will never be truly proud of who u are because christians do not believe in pride. Pride is my love. And love is my pride. My entire world revolves around my pride. I have provided scientific proof that the Indigenous Spirit is real, because I just prooved that my pride is real. The proof comes from the fact that im willing to die for it. There is iron in my words of life, therefore there is also iron in my words of death. Because there is iron in my words of death, it provides more scientific proof in my pride and my indian nature and blood than u or ur tribe will ever be able to see on a piece of paper or my last name. If you are 1/billionth indian, and ur proud of who u are, ur more indian than any prideless full blood will ever be. If ur full blood, and u dont got a ball and chain complex, u aint nuttin but a white man to me. It aint skin deep. its something you will never........ever.........be able to touch.
its PERMANENT. its FOREVER.

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Dear Redskin4eva AKA Cherokee Champion AKA Francis F.

It's pretty obvious you are the same person, but I'll play along.

I wanted to say that first of all I empathize with your situation. I have a 7 year old niece who looks Indian as can be, both her parents are 3/4 Native but they are enrolled in tribes who have a 1/4 blood quantum requirement. Since they are a mix of tribes, my niece is not enough of one tribe to get enrolled and I know many other Natives in the same predicament.

Back to the point, simply having a tribal ID card does not guarantee success or mean you will automatically have an easier life. I work in Accounting and pay plenty of taxes out of every paycheck, file taxes every year, and pay taxes on goods and services purchased off the reservation. I admit there are advantages with being enrolled, I receive about 2000.00 a year percapita from my tribe and free dental & health. Since I reside and work on a reservation, I don't pay taxes on the purchase of a vehicle or any deliveries to the reservation, those are great bonuses BUT my success and happiness is not related to having a tribal ID card. Mostly, my family, education, pets and traveling to pow-wows makes me happy and content.

After reading your posts on other websites (LetsRun.com) with the same topic, it seems you have the idea that being enrolled will solve your problems. Believe me, that is not the case. I was surprised after looking at your Myspace profile that you refer to yourself as a "Greezy, Slymie, Oiley, Nasty, Satanic, Indian Crip. And if you mess with me you will gets AIDS." That is not what I expected from a female PhD graduate.

I suggest in the future you not post your real name to Urban Dictionary with your definition of "Paper Indians." Somebody with your education would know how easy it is to Google your name to see all your rants on other websites and social networks. Change your name again and start over with a new profile because you have discredited yourself with these names on Powwows.com.
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I'm still waiting to find out where I can get all that free stuff ! I'd take a nice new Avalanche (to drive to pow-wows)And how do I go about NOT paying taxes ???
yeah me too! do i take my cdib to the car dealer? i want one of these -->


oh lord where'd i put it? i dont think i've seen it since high school
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The original poster has already been through college and is apparently already employed. I saw nothing in the previous posts that was indicative of relying on the card solely for success. As I am a Chief of an Oklahoma Tribe, I can assure that getting my degree in Indian law was 90% of the battle.

I am the only poster thus far who has given adherance to the topic at hand. This issue has nothing to do with "happiness" as you call it. It's about getting what you are ENTITLED to. Have you ever went to a white clinic and had a white woman take your blood pressure, look you straight in the eyes, and say "why are you here, dont you indians have your own clinic? Why are you here at our clinic??" I highly doubt you have ever experienced that.

There is a problem with the system, and the discrimination issues against Indians that are NOT card holders is the largest, most profound. The previous Chief of the Sac and Fox once said, "the hardest thing for any human being is to be an Indian without the card". Indians without cards are like homosexuals that are not allowed to be gay without a card. They have nowhere to go. They do not fall into any group of society, and its just a continuous uphill crawl until the person can meet someone like me that will get them on the inside. Save them from racial harrassment, profiling, and discrimination and allow them to be themselves.

PW professional, I sure hope they have your correct size of bowling shoes next time you are at the bowling alley. Apparently you are incapable of putting yourself in someone elses mocassins and realing that all Indians are not as lucky as you.

Also, what does the posters religion have to do with anything? Seeing as though Francis has some sort of Science background, im surprized that she speaks of a Creator at all; whether or not it be a light or dark image. Good for her. If you can dig any deeper into this her personal life, please let us know. You just seem like a stalker to me.

I guarantee you that I have enough power and say-so to admit her into my tribe in Stroud. We have already spoken and the strings have already been pulled. I am proud to have helped her. Case closed. Have a nice day.

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Back to the point, simply having a tribal ID card does not guarantee success or mean you will automatically have an easier life. I work in Accounting and pay plenty of taxes out of every paycheck, file taxes every year, and pay taxes on goods and services purchased off the reservation. I admit there are advantages with being enrolled, I receive about 2000.00 a year percapita from my tribe and free dental & health. Since I reside and work on a reservation, I don't pay taxes on the purchase of a vehicle or any deliveries to the reservation, those are great bonuses BUT my success and happiness is not related to having a tribal ID card. Mostly, my family, education, pets and traveling to pow-wows makes me happy and content.
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I am the Chief of the Sac and Fox Tribe in Oklahoma.
We have some pretty "washed-up" citizens in my tribe, but none this severe. I believe every bit of your story and hope you get your card soon. You truly deserve a compensation for your hardships. I sent you a message to your inbox with my personal cell phone number. Please contact me and I will pull some strings to get you into our tribe. We are located in Stroud Oklahoma. My tribe has several different funds for adults and each one comes with a monthly check between 1,000 and 4,000 dollars. We are actually the 2nd wealthiest uncivilized tribe in Oklahoma. Our tribe has a very violent war history, but our casinos in Shawnee and Stroud do a great job at giving us financial compensating for our past.

We have a bad reputation here in Oklahoma, from diabetes to moral inequities; but all off our members over 18 years old can be seen driving escalades and having plasma television sets in their homes. Please check your inbox. My name is Chief Thurman.
I just forwarded this to The Sac and Fox tribal website , attn. Chief Thurman.....I'm sure they will respond soon ! LOL
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This issue has nothing to do with "happiness" as you call it. It's about getting what you are ENTITLED to.
1. If you didn't think it would make you happy, you wouldn't want it.
2. YOU, are not entitled to anything. Perhaps your ancestors, but not YOU.

Which is the problem with a lot of Indians, anyway.

I'm Chief of the Zeke-ah-ki Nation and I have spoken.
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That or I'll look into the United Powwows Dot Com Moderators union (U.P.D.C.M.) benefits....
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The counterpoint personality of Redskin4ever, also played by Cherokee Champion, juxtaposes the have nots with the haves of Cherokee Champion's character's role. With a heartbreaking performance by Redskin4ever, the character shows just how tragic the life of today's suburban kids really are.

The gruff and crusty character of Chief Thurman holds no punches and hits on even more stereotypes that follow Cherokee Champion's life.

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You can catch performance daily and with two shows in the evening. Tickets are priced according to your cynicism but well worth the going for the skeptic seats, such close encounters with the characters are a must see!

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The counterpoint personality of Redskin4ever, also played by Cherokee Champion, juxtaposes the have nots with the haves of Cherokee Champion's character's role. With a heartbreaking performance by Redskin4ever, the character shows just how tragic the life of today's suburban kids really are.

The gruff and crusty character of Chief Thurman holds no punches and hits on even more stereotypes that follow Cherokee Champion's life.

PWProfessional plays the voice of reason in response to the many voices played by Cherokee Champion, the character brings it all home in a stirring oration about picking yourself up when the voices in your head start to crowd you out.

You can catch performance daily and with two shows in the evening. Tickets are priced according to your cynicism but well worth the going for the skeptic seats, such close encounters with the characters are a must see!

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This amazing one person show has captivated audiences from New York to San Diego with its gripping and tragic tale of an Indian gone wrong. Cherokee Champion gives a convincing performance of a broken Indian whose only hope of happiness is getting a card that says they are an Indian. The role is beautifully played by Cherokee Champion who convinces audiences that they really are an Indian.

The counterpoint personality of Redskin4ever, also played by Cherokee Champion, juxtaposes the have nots with the haves of Cherokee Champion's character's role. With a heartbreaking performance by Redskin4ever, the character shows just how tragic the life of today's suburban kids really are.

The gruff and crusty character of Chief Thurman holds no punches and hits on even more stereotypes that follow Cherokee Champion's life.

PWProfessional plays the voice of reason in response to the many voices played by Cherokee Champion, the character brings it all home in a stirring oration about picking yourself up when the voices in your head start to crowd you out.

You can catch performance daily and with two shows in the evening. Tickets are priced according to your cynicism but well worth the going for the skeptic seats, such close encounters with the characters are a must see!

This is the feel bad play of the year!
Do we get in free if we show a card ???
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What a good review, Yaahl!

@WD, hahahaha that was a good one...

So do we at least get a discount for a matinee showing or with a student I.D.?
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The counterpoint personality of Redskin4ever, also played by Cherokee Champion, juxtaposes the have nots with the haves of Cherokee Champion's character's role. With a heartbreaking performance by Redskin4ever, the character shows just how tragic the life of today's suburban kids really are.

The gruff and crusty character of Chief Thurman holds no punches and hits on even more stereotypes that follow Cherokee Champion's life.

PWProfessional plays the voice of reason in response to the many voices played by Cherokee Champion, the character brings it all home in a stirring oration about picking yourself up when the voices in your head start to crowd you out.

You can catch performance daily and with two shows in the evening. Tickets are priced according to your cynicism but well worth the going for the skeptic seats, such close encounters with the characters are a must see!

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