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Old 04-17-2013, 04:09 PM   #21
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According to the 2010 U.S. Census 105,304 Americans self identified themselves to be Blackfeet, making them the 8th largest tribe in the United States. However.... as of November 15, 2011 the membership of the Blackfeet Nation is only 16,924 ENROLLED members! The majority of Americans who self identified themselves as Blackfeet or Blackfoot came from the east coast!


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Pretty weird phenomena! Probably is like the Cherokee thing. The thing I'm looking at is whether some of the Saponi, not all that claim to be Saponi, but some, who are really Tutelo or Saponi are related to the Blackfeet. Or if their use of the word could be just a coincidental because they burned their fields as well. There membership is looser than many tribes. I'm not saying all the people in there are Saponi, but of the ones that are, are they related to the Blackfeet or Blackfoot.

I know people in New England will say, "if there is any ndn in our family it is probably Blackfoot" and really that is saying they don't know. I don't know why they pick that name, probably because they can pronounce it easily. My dad said something like that and we are actually Mohawk and Mohegan far back, completely different.

In the midwest everyone is Cherokee. I think it is a regional thing.

But the original question is there, who are the Tutelo and Saponi and are they related to the Blackfoot or could they have just used the same name or what.
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The thing I'm looking at is whether some of the Saponi, not all that claim to be Saponi, but some, who are really Tutelo or Saponi are related to the Blackfeet...I know people in New England will say, "if there is any ndn in our family it is probably Blackfoot" and really that is saying they don't know. I don't know why they pick that name, probably because they can pronounce it easily.

But the original question is there, who are the Tutelo and Saponi and are they related to the Blackfoot or could they have just used the same name or what.
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The truth lies in the language, songs and ceremony. Let's start with language. A greeting in Blackfeet is "Okgi Ni-kso-ko-wah" which is translated to mean "Hello. Greetings my relative!" How do the Tutelo or Saponi say a greeting? Is there anyone left that speaks the language???
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The truth lies in the language, songs and ceremony. Let's start with language. A greeting in Blackfeet is "Okgi Ni-kso-ko-wah" which is translated to mean "Hello. Greetings my relative!" How do the Tutelo or Saponi say a greeting? Is there anyone left that speaks the language???
This is Western Souian language they say. They have a dictionary but no current speakers according to this article in Indian Country Today:
Tutelo language revitalized - ICTMN.com

Catawba: Tanaake! (pronounced "tah-naw-kay")
Cherokee: (pronounced "oh-see-yo")
Creek: Hesci! (pronounced "heese-chee")
Saponi: Mecou! (pronounced "meh-koo")
Tuscarora: Chwe'n! (pronounced "chweh-n")
from North Carolina Indian Tribes and Languages

Making (Ongoing Action)

I am making – Móma

S/He is making – O’ma

You are making – Yóma

Made (Past)

I made – Móka

S/He made – O’ka

You made – Yóka

Will Make (Future)

I will make – Móta

S/He will make – O’ta

You will make – Yóta


Wehe Píma
Summer Time

swim – míní ínase (mee-nee ee-nah-say)

running (human being) – heñden’hese (hayn-dayn-hay-say)

I am walking – walewa (wah-lay-wah)

walking stick – gídan’ (gee-dahn)

ribs – gwayutik’ (gwah-you-teek)

pork ribs – gwayutik’ masgolo (gwah-yoo-teek mahs-go-loh)

beef ribs – gwayutik’ mampa (gwah-yoo-teek mahmpah)

meat – íye (ee-yay)

corn – mataqe (mah-tah-hay)

corn bread – maksapa mataqe (mahk-sah-pah mah-tah-hay)

bread – maksapa (mahk-sah-pah)

mosquito – waskiteng (Wah-skee-tayng)

berry – ha, hasí (hah, hah-see)

cherry – Yosañkrota (Yoh-sahn-crow-tah)

strawberry – haspahínuk (hah-spah-hee-nook)

raspberry – hasísiai (hah-see-see- eye’ee)

from Tutelo-Saponi Language Lesson

I hope they have more than this to rebuild the language. This is what I could find online.
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Can someone tell me where Blackfoot people from the blood tribe-kainai in southern Alberta come into this? My last name is Blackwater but I was raised in foster care and although I have been to my reserve a few times, I don't know as much as I'd like to. It'd be awesome to hear any historical knowledge on my people. And what is our language called? Is it just Blackfoot? I only know a few words, like
Oki - Hello
Ayo ihtsipaitapiiyo'pa - Oh Creator
Aistamattsokinnaan - Show us
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How did the Siouan Language get mixed up into this thread, when it's been established above that Blackfeet (Siksika) is Algonkwin?

I stand by the fact that the 2nd post containing links does not contain any reference to Blackfoot, even after hovering over the links and actually clicking them.

After re-reading the links in the first post, it is all conjecture, hearsay, and amateur theory.

But the question stands, "Why do so many Eastern folks claim Blackfoot, instead of one of the many established Indian tribes in the area?"

Can it have anything to do with this snippet from the 2nd link in the first post? "...Many, many people with Native American ancestry rooted in what is now the southeastern United States have handed down the term "Blackfoot," most famously the "Blackfoot Cherokee." Some theorize the term Blackfoot indicates partial African ancestry, i.e., Black. Information on this is available all over the internet. It's certainly not limited to Delmarva, in fact it's mostly outside Delmarva. I'm sure I've seen it in the archives of this list too, maybe in the last year or so. "

Hmmm....
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A great map of the Indian language groups:

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i just now read all of this but getting back to what who me said,and also cause ive never been east before, Do the saponi indians have any cermonials that they still do and what are they? just wondering
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Folk Singer, Woodstock Legend & Blackfoot Indian
Richie Havens Dead at age 72

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April 23, 2013


Havens at NAMA Press Conference & Performing Hendrix tribute at the First Awards

New York, NY – Folk singer, activist, and famed opening act at the 1969 Woodstock music festival who was part Blackfoot Indian, Richie Havens, died of a heart attack on April 22, 2013, Earth Day, at the age of 72.

Richie Havens offered his commitment both as a Blackfoot Indian and as a performer at Native American Music Awards. He proclaimed his Native American heritage at the lower Manhattan at a press conference announcing the launch of the Native American Music Awards on April 22, 1998, exactly 15 years ago. He was also asked by the family of the late Jimi Hendrix to perform a musical tribute for Hendrix’s induction into the N.A.M.A. Hall of Fame at the First Awards ceremony held in May 1998 at the Foxwoods Resort & Casino. Havens gave a magical and stellar performance of "All Along The Watchtower" that “catapulted the Awards show into something truly spiritual and spectacular” recalls N.A.M.A. President and Founder, Ellen Bello. His mesmerizing and unforgettable performance included a medley of Hendrix songs.

Havens said his Native American heritage came from his father’s side of the family who came from the Montana and South Dakota area. In an interview with National Public Radio he stated, “They were Blackfoot Indian. They came with Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show, got off in New York City, and left the show there and ended up on the Shinnecock Reservation in Long Island and moved to Brooklyn. And that’s how my father was born in Brooklyn and how I ended up being born in Brooklyn as well.”

Havens’ Mixed Bag II Cd released in 1974 on his own label, Stormy Forest Productions also hinted at his Blackfoot heritage. The song, “Indian Prayer” celebrates and embraces his Native American roots.

Standing at 6 feet 6 inches, Havens was best known for distinctively intense, rhythmic guitar style and soulful songs. He recorded 30 albums and toured for over 40 years before retiring from the road 3 years ago. Those who have met Havens will remember his gentle and compassionate nature, his light humor and his powerful presence.

He told Billboard Magazine that that his breakthrough at Woodstock came after the opening acts’ equipment got stuck in traffic. He was supposed to be the fifth act. He became the first act and played for three hours. Havens remembered, " They're gonna kill me if I go up on stage first. Give me a break. I need those four people in front of me to warm up the crowd. But the people were great. I was supposed to sing 40 minutes, which I did, and from the side of the stage they go, 'Richie, four more songs?' I went back and did that, then it was, 'Four more songs...' and that kept happening 'til two hours and 45 minutes later I had sung every song I know." He played a galvanizing set that included "Motherless Child" that merged into his song "Freedom," which he said came from “a totally spontaneous place.”

Havens’ Woodstock appearance earned him widespread notoriety and proved to be a major turning point in his career and gave him his highest-charting albums -- "Richard P. Havens, 1983" in 1969 (No. 80 on the Billboard 200) and "Alarm Clock" in 1971 (No. 29).
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ok I dont know everything about every tribe obviously but ill say this ... weve already mentioned the Algonkin connection in the Blackfoot language anyone ever thought bout how no other tribes that I'm aware of wore feather headdresses standing up right except people in the east/south east ? not to mention the Blackfoot tribe is the only other on outside of the eastern area who has worn those n this style and also the beadwork designs that northeast and southeastern tribes wear the floral designs are also found on old Blackfoot artifacts or clothing n again Algonkin language connection which is also the northeastern n an area of North Carolina tribes ...... maybe that's not relevant to anyone but just thought is throw that out there.......
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All i know is that my grandfather has been doing genealogical research for many years. We are from WV. A couple years ago, he said he discovered that there was Blackfoot in our bloodline. He showed me a picture of three Native Americans that were in our ancestrial line. what amazed me, was the features of these people in the picture were the same strong features our family still carries today. This was the 1st we knew of Native Americans on that side of my family. I've always known of Cherokee on my mother's side because its not very far back.
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