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Old 05-27-2014, 08:12 PM   #1
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All about Traditional Jingle Dress Dancing..

Hi everyone. I am in need of some serious education.

First off, let me start off by saying that ....
-I am Half Ojibwe (fathers side)
-a quarter Cayuga (Moms side)
-and a quarter Irish (Mom)

We aren't traditional. My mom was raised in the longhouse and had a racist experience and never returned and she didn't fully carry out the teachings to my brother and I. My father wasn't in the picture so I do not know a thing about my Ojiwe side, which I am now on a journey to learning the traditional ways (long story) and living them.

I had a dream that I was dancing Old Style Jingle... I wasn't wearing a dress, but I was dancing at my grandpas house on the rez and my aunt said, "Nice dancing, Jess... Make sure that when you get your dress, it's calf length." then my dream ended... Then last night, I had another dream that I was dancing Old Style Jingle again.. But similarly, I wasn't wearing my dress... From what I know about Jingle Dress dancing is that it is a very sacred dance and you have to have a dream of it before you dance it? I don't know... that's what my friend (Mowhak nation) said to me. But now I am learning that you have to have a ceremony for it? And there is sacrifices that you have to make aswell? Like being Sober? ( I am 17 and have absolutely no interest in using drugs and drinking alcohol)

I am so confused. Well, not confused. I am uneducated. I have no knowledge of the traditional way to dance the Jingle Dress Dance.

So my questions are.....

-What is the true History of the Jingle Dress Dance? (There are a lot of stories, but I am curious which one is.. the real one)
-What are the requirements of Jingle Dress Dancing?
-What traditional, ceremonial things do you have to do before you dance?
-What are the rules of Jingle Dress Dancing?
-What does the ceremony consist of? Like how do I do this ceremony?
-Is Jingle Dress Dancing a way of life?
-And also, in traditional, old style Jingle Dress Dancing, what are the requirements of the dress and what else has to be included in the outfit? Like is jewelry required? Is a purse required? etc.

****** Please tell me everything that you know about Old Style Traditional Jingle Dress Dancing?******
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Hi everyone. I am in need of some serious education.

First off, let me start off by saying that ....
-I am Half Ojibwe (fathers side)
-a quarter Cayuga (Moms side)
-and a quarter Irish (Mom)

We aren't traditional. My mom was raised in the longhouse and had a racist experience and never returned and she didn't fully carry out the teachings to my brother and I. My father wasn't in the picture so I do not know a thing about my Ojiwe side, which I am now on a journey to learning the traditional ways (long story) and living them.

I had a dream that I was dancing Old Style Jingle... I wasn't wearing a dress, but I was dancing at my grandpas house on the rez and my aunt said, "Nice dancing, Jess... Make sure that when you get your dress, it's calf length." then my dream ended... Then last night, I had another dream that I was dancing Old Style Jingle again.. But similarly, I wasn't wearing my dress... From what I know about Jingle Dress dancing is that it is a very sacred dance and you have to have a dream of it before you dance it? I don't know... that's what my friend (Mowhak nation) said to me. But now I am learning that you have to have a ceremony for it? And there is sacrifices that you have to make aswell? Like being Sober? ( I am 17 and have absolutely no interest in using drugs and drinking alcohol)

I am so confused. Well, not confused. I am uneducated. I have no knowledge of the traditional way to dance the Jingle Dress Dance.

So my questions are.....

-What is the true History of the Jingle Dress Dance? (There are a lot of stories, but I am curious which one is.. the real one)
-What are the requirements of Jingle Dress Dancing?
-What traditional, ceremonial things do you have to do before you dance?
-What are the rules of Jingle Dress Dancing?
-What does the ceremony consist of? Like how do I do this ceremony?
-Is Jingle Dress Dancing a way of life?
-And also, in traditional, old style Jingle Dress Dancing, what are the requirements of the dress and what else has to be included in the outfit? Like is jewelry required? Is a purse required? etc.

****** Please tell me everything that you know about Old Style Traditional Jingle Dress Dancing?******
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You should come up to Ojibwe country and talk about the history of jingle dress dancing.
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You should come up to Ojibwe country and talk about the history of jingle dress dancing.
She can't talk about the history , she's trying to learn the history !Kinda like you , can't/shouldn't talk about stuff you know nothing about.
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I wasn't wearing a dress, but I was dancing at my grandpas house on the rez and my aunt said, "Nice dancing, Jess... Make sure that when you get your dress, it's calf length." then my dream ended...

Just like Joe's Dad said - ..in your dream your family was there, go to your grampa's house on the rez and ask.
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I agree I think you need to get in contact with your grandpa since he is Ojibwe he would be the best teacher for you. He would have the answers you are looking for.
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ok.....if not your family find your local native community....hang out.....LEARN......make friends before ever expressing you would like to dance....then learn the history of the dance....if it was meant to be the community will help you.......if not then they wont

its ok to be brought into powwow by people outside of their family.....i was brought into southern straight by john emhoolah who is of a different tribe

but make sure you go through the proper channels....have the initiation ceremony preferably at a smaller powwow of your own community....and for crissakes have a giveaway

and for the first time WPD is partially right....im still not a fan of his though

but IF time and money permit, look for a powwow in ojibwe territory....watch and LEARN and look for a cultural center to visit....what does that have to do with jingle dress dancing? absolutely NOTHING....but at least familiarize yourself with your people and your traditions before you decide to step in the arena with a jingle dress
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ok.....if not your family find your local native community....hang out.....LEARN......make friends before ever expressing you would like to dance....then learn the history of the dance....if it was meant to be the community will help you.......if not then they wont

its ok to be brought into powwow by people outside of their family.....i was brought into southern straight by john emhoolah who is of a different tribe

but make sure you go through the proper channels....have the initiation ceremony preferably at a smaller powwow of your own community

and for the first time WPD is partially right....im still not a fan of his though

but IF time and money permit, look for a powwow in ojibwe territory....watch and LEARN and look for a cultural center to visit....what does that have to do with jingle dress dancing? absolutely NOTHING....but at least familiarize yourself with your people and your traditions before you decide to step in the arena with a jingle dress
Well said........
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She can't talk about the history , she's trying to learn the history !Kinda like you , can't/shouldn't talk about stuff you know nothing about.
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