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YES!!!! They need to decide on what one to judge. 131 77.98%
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Old 03-29-2002, 05:25 PM   #1
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Should jingle competition be separated between traditional and contemporary?

Ok.... This has been bugginf me for the longest time! i know there are some judges at contest powwows that like the contemporary step and some judges like to stay traditional.... What do you think?

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Old 03-29-2002, 05:29 PM   #2
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Ok that is my .02 cents

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You can't read the judges minds.

I sometimes run books for contests and you can't predict how judges will score dancers. Simply dance your style and enjoy yourself doing it.:dancer:
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Nativechick, what is your concept of traditional jingle?

Just wondering.
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Old 04-01-2002, 10:13 PM   #5
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Sometimes traditional and contemporary are separated at pow-wows, mainly in the great lakes area.

I think it's because in this area, the jingle dress dancers aren't as flashy and fancy as the contemporary dancers; their dresses aren't decorated with colorful designs.
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Yoohoo!! Nativechick

What is your idea of traditional jingle dancing and why do you prefer it?
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Old 04-02-2002, 08:16 PM   #7
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Well i think that traditional step is not as many kicks and fancy moves. and contemporary is when you kick high and move in a complete circle. ok girls... i need your help i am lacking words to describe this..... but Kiwehnzii i hope that helps

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Well I think that they should separate the different catagories... because not everyone can or wants to dance all high strung like they do in contemp.. and just like the drum contests two different catagories are emerging and we just gota go along with it..like how could you judge northern and southern singing...?
but i think what really separates the conteporary from the old style is the footwork (old style use to be only the side- step but as the new style of dancing emerged so did the free-style of the straight jingle songs but it tends to be not as "wild" and no full circles), the use of fans (since in the old days the jingle dancers never carried a fan only a pouch for their medicines) and the use of plumes (correct me if im wrong) . Even the motion itself the , body language.......um...lol.....its just different....!
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Zhingus, as far as I know, you are right on the money about traditional (old-style) jingle.

I knew somebody would come up with a reply like yours. I didn't want to post it cuz I'm a dude. Miigwetch.
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Definitely, the contests should be treated separately.

My experience from powwows I've been to. When all the jingle dancers are competing. The traditional/old style don't even get a chance. The contemporary dancers always win because their steps are more fancy. Some dancers steps are no different than fancy shawl.

The more time that goes by, the real meaning of being a jingle dress dancer is being lost.
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I have traveled to Ontario and have asked about the different styles of dancing Jingle. I have a few friends who dance "old style". One being Dana Runsabove. She always said that the feet don't really leave the ground , they slide. No feathers, no turning circles, etc. I have another good friend who dances jingle also,Yvette Ewalk, and she dances the side step on the down beat instead of the up beat. Therefore, she has a different rhythm on her sidestep. That is old school side step that was given to her. Alana Baker danced a deadly sidestep at Indio this year. No fan, no feathers, just raising her hand on the honor beats of the side step. She is another outstanding old style jingle dancer. At Hinckley Celebration they used to have and oldstyle jingle contest and it was the most beautiful display traditional Jingle dancers. Both styles are outstanding to watch and I commend the dancers who have been given the right to dance this style.
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STATE: no feathers or fans? i might be wrong but i never heard of old style not using them.

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State is correct. No feathers-no fans.
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Old 04-22-2002, 10:10 AM   #14
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well i think they should seperate traditonal jingle and contemporary jingle
into seperate catagories...maybe have all same moves..except with contemp
have the high step and with traditional add the crow hop on top of tradish and
side step...except a part of me still thinks that the side step shouldnt be used
for competition because its used as a healing dance...wouldnt that take out the
purpose of the dance if used for competition basis?i mean it should be danced at powwows
b/c even the spectators need healing if soemthing comes up but should never be
given money to...i know alot of jingle dancers who do take money becasue of their
side step and i think its wrong....aight all this thinking is giving me a headache*lol*
well i hope none of you take this as an instult...if you do i apologize but sometimes things dont come out right when i say it...thats why these posts should never be taken as if your talking to the person
in real life..its only for suggestion or topic thats all...:p
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i think that comtemporary and traditional should be seperated because like many people stated before that they are different in so many ways and then again they all serve the same purpose.
As I posted before in another forum that my niece was asked to dance for my mother when she became ill. When she was taught to do the side step for healing, she was told to use no fan, feathers, and they preferred to have the hair unbraided!! She was taught to raise her hand on the honor beats.
When the catorgories are combined, it is up to the judges on what the judges like to see a dancer do wether its comtemporary or traditional.
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I think that the two different styles of jingle dress should be seperated!

My daughter was given the right to dance jingle in the traditional way. She was dressed and taught every aspect of the jingle dress. She learned the traditional way of dancing first and then she learned the contemporary way! There was a traditional jingle dress contest at Stroud Pow-wow one year and she made our family proud because she danced like the old ones. I am very proud of her.
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One of the limitations of having two different categories is the prize money. From a committee perspective, it means having another category to raise money for. That's probably why you don't see the separation as much. When you do, it's most of the time at the bigger money pow-wows. Maybe the answer is just making sure the head judge or committee picks knowledgeable judges instead. Some have no idea what to look for and judge on outfits alone or who they know or how flashy/fancy one can get. I agree with Niimii. Why are they dancing in the jingle category if all they're doing is dancing fancy in a jingle dress?? But then again, we've probably come too far in our evolution of the dancing. :dontknow:
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:Chatter Well, just at we as Native people are evolving, so are traditions and contemporary Indin' cultures. So, when I hear someone mention the more "traditional" style of jingle dress, I think of a more humble dance, a dance more about the actual origin of the medicine dress. For example, if I see a girl dancing a more tradional style (that is not so fancy with kicks and all) I see her as honoring the old ways, the ancestors. It seems to me, as a jingle dress dancer that the contemporary style is a stlye that generates $money$ in the jingle contests. But, it's not that
the girls who dance a fancy style are not honoring the ancestors, but it seems that many are in it for the attention they get by the judges?! Throughout the soutwest and into Oklahoma and California it's that way, the judges all seem to look over the girls who dance the more traditional style and thus vote for those girls who dance more contemporary, sad but true?! SO, I think there should be two separate categories for old style jingle and contemporary jingle style.

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That is so true.

I am from the Great Lakes area, Ojibwe country:Thumbs :Thumbs and I have been living out there in Arizona for the past few years, of course spending my summers back home where I belong :P Anyways... I been dancing jingle back in AZ in the women category and I'm very old-style compared to all the southwestern jinglers, I have met one woman with a very beautiful old-style dress and old style way of dancing, and she was from North Dakota. It is true that old style is always overlooked because like vjy said, they favor the more contemporary, fancy high steppin' high kickin' style of jingle dress dancing. I got kinda fustrated with dancing in that area, not with trying to place or anything, I was more of just missing my homeland and what the style of dancing that is mostly danced here. I missed the simple dresses, the smoothness of simple steps, I was feeling like a weirdo out in those arenas with my hair hanging down and plain dresses, I just have to remember though where I come from and that's how I was taught to dance. Maybe we don't need to seperate the categories but maybe teach everyone the right way..:p just kidding just kidding just kidding. I don't know why people chose to dance so fancy. Maybe they haven't had any teachings about the dress or maybe they're just trying to be trendsetters? Who knows. I noticed out there too that yeah it's about being noticed more than anything, fancy beadwork, fancy dresses, fancy steps. I know things evolve over time, I don't think that will ever make me forget about the old plain apron dresses though.
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Thumbs up jingle style

Aho! It's good to hear it Jingle Mama.
Everytime I see a woman, girl dancing the old style, style I make it an effort to approach her and let her know that I appreciate the way she chooses to dance.
A good friend of mine just started dancing jingle about a year ago, and as she got comfortable with the circle, she began to question the styles and dresses. After she made her first dress, she said that it was "too plain" but I assured her that the dance wasn't about the dress, but more about the dance and the reason behind it.
So, it's good to reassure the one's who are keepin' it real, carrying on a tradition with no fancy stuff.;)
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