[Grits & Beans]

Originally Posted by Tommy (Night Wolf)

thus I bid you a dew, and may the blue bird of happiness gift you from on high.

and may the all the birds(not just the blue ones)gift you from on high, you and your car windshield!

[Sunktaki]

You're soooo bad grits&beans....

[Singing Otter]

Uhhh. Wow. I'm gone for a few months and when I get back.....spla-dow.

[Grits & Beans]

Originally Posted by Singing Otter

Uhhh. Wow. I'm gone for a few months and when I get back.....spla-dow.

well look what the cat dragged in! lol

what's up otter?

[Singing Otter]

Originally Posted by Grits & Beans

well look what the cat dragged in! lol

what's up otter?

lol Nothin' much just workin' hard. I see you've been up to the usual mischief and mayhem. hahaha How've you been?

[Grits & Beans]

Originally Posted by Singing Otter

lol Nothin' much just workin' hard. I see you've been up to the usual mischief and mayhem. hahaha How've you been?

working hard too.

welcome back. hope you got wannabe repellent

[BigChef]

Originally Posted by Tommy (Night Wolf)

To: Calcoquilts
As we all know there are those in Florida who have a habit of sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong. They also have no respect for other tribes and customs. Though they see them selfs as the know all of the native customs the rest of the world doesn't so then they have to go online running off at the mouth.

But seeings how you are such a know all of native customs, how about you tell me here and now about the Apache Jingle dancer??

Love and Blessings
Night Wolf

NightWolf, Calicoquilts profyles location says northern country or something to that effect and I think you are saying shes' from florida? I'm confused. I have heard that florida does have lots of knowitalls that get all holy on people though. They dont like hereing that they are wrong or dont know it all. Maybe it would be best to politely explain the tribal custom that your protogey follows that keeps her from dancing sidesteps (without revealing tabu tribal spiritchal knowledge). This way these superknowitallpowwowfloridapeople cant say a thing too you or her.

I also would like to here of the apache jingle dancer, from any of you that can tell the story.

[MayChe]

Originally Posted by Tommy (Night Wolf)

You, and people like you really don't get it do you???
Just like I said , no respect for others, and every body wants to try and tell some one else what they should be doing. Mind your biz and let others tend to theirs.
Yes, she has the title, and ether you had a vote and was out voted, or you have no vote and are just another whiny nobody trying to stir up crap but either way....
You know what I just realized, I'm wasting my time on this and you, The lot of you are not worth the time nor the effort, thus I bid you a dew, and may the blue bird of happiness gift you from on high.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I didn't even go for the title so this let's me know you know nothing of what you speak.

Yes, NightWolf, I'd also like to know why she thinks the sidestep is a contest only dance.

[lonewolf123]

I have know this Lady since she was 18. She started out as a Fancy Shawl Dancer. She always looked to Elders for questions and quidence wether they were native or not. She becomes defensive quickly when attacked I know the Elders who gave her permission to dance Jingle and the live on reservations. She does not dance for money or compitition. She dances for prayer and healing. She also teaches young children. If she bowed out of the so called compitition jingle slide, you should of went to her in the traditaional manner and asked why. To many people jump to conclusions and put their 2 cents in and I can say even though I was not there that I am her charge and adopted Father. This is not the first Pow Wow where she did not dance the Jingle Slide. So before you become judgemental of others go to Elders and the person themselves in a good way and ask questions. Remember the saying "Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones."

[wanjica_the_one]

Well, someone is hiding or not telling the truth. You can't just change protocol because of your inadequate upbringing. If she was told not to sidestep then she was taught in a bad way. Your glass house has a big crack.

[lonewolf123]

I didn't teach her. All I was saying is that she chooses not to do the Jimgle Slide. She would rather do a healing dance than a show dance. My Tipi don't have any windows.

[wanjica_the_one]

All dancers in all categories by tradition are required to know all songs and to dance their style. Too bad your protogé wasn't taught this all known tradition. By the way, your tipi is sitting on top of messy cow-pies.

[lonewolf123]

She knows all the dances and the songs. She chooses not to dance the Jingle Slide. The last time I looked WE have the freedom of choice. Were you there at the Pow Wow?

[BigChef]

Originally Posted by lonewolf123

I didn't teach her. All I was saying is that she chooses not to do the Jimgle Slide. She would rather do a healing dance than a show dance. My Tipi don't have any windows.

Most times when I've seen jingle dancers dancing a dance of healing it just happened to be a sidestep (or was that all the times?). Its a little ironic that the "jingle slide" is part of whats considerd a healing dance. Or is it a coiencidence? (I always get those two mixed up). Now I agree that some times when they dance sidesteps (like in competitions) it is done in a "show" way, but it's still a sidestep just like they use in "healing dances".

Why don't you use the Tommy Nitewolf login? That one sounds cooler than the lonewolf (I understand if you forgot your password and had to make a new login, those things are so hard to remember). Lonewolf sounds too much like Chuck Norris... although don't get me wrong, i love Chuck, he's the only man that can slam a revolving door!

[wanjica_the_one]

Originally Posted by lonewolf123

She knows all the dances and the songs. She chooses not to dance the Jingle Slide. The last time I looked WE have the freedom of choice. Were you there at the Pow Wow?

and she has the freedom to be ridiculed in public.

[Kamama]

popcorn anyone?

[wanjica_the_one]

here's the proof.

YouTube - fort hall Idaho powwow 2009 Jingle dress Blessing

[Majii]

The side step was not invented for contest, this step is the original step used for the healing dance.

I can see that this topic started out as a simple request for feedback and it turned into confrontation and criticism

The Jingle dress dance is a healing dance. Traditionally the side step is used. The dancers dance in a line, being respectful not to pass another, the eldest of the group is the first in the line.
Regardless of the step used, any woman wearing the jingle dress is dancing for healing and proper care for the dance, the dress and the self is important for this dance.
Anyone learning this dance must learn from an elder with knowledge of the dance, also from dancers who know the dance and tradition. There is a protocol,such as knowing what to do before the dress is put on, while it is worn and after it is taken off, there is a progression of steps to achieve, a feast and ceremony for a jingle dress before it is worn for the first time, which most women do not observe when they choose to wear the dress (traditionally they are chosen to wear the dress).
It is important for this girl to learn from someone who knows the tradition and the original story of the dance, so when she is confronted with questions, she can answer them truthfully and without confrontation and defiance.


from an Anishinabe jingle dress dancer

[eap7]

At many contest powwows throughout the country, I see jingle dress dancers called upon to dance a side step for healing for a particular person or situation. They're usually told to remove their feathers and not carry a fan. Is this necessary (removing feathers) if the dancers are not Ojibwe or not familiar with healing ceremonies?

[DaisyWildDove]

I'm so tired of the bickering. All of you need to grow up I feel like in school again. The disrespect that came to me, was when you jumped on me standing at the east gate. You said and I quote," If you are going to represent the jingle you need to learn this step." I am jingle and I don't represent the jingle. Then you went to the circle, in women's traditional cloth regalia went out and started to do the side step. Why does no one say anything to you? This Pow wow was intertribal. If you do not know what that means it means ALL tribes and ALL Traditions. We need to start remembering your nor mine traditions are the only ones out there. What you should have done was come up to me gift me tobacco and ask me the question. Another thing, if you read the quote from Mishiike this is my Uncle and he told me when we were at the powwow if you have a problem with me to give him a call. Need his number look up AIM he is on the Grand Governing Council. See you next year and I still will not be doing the side step. LATER!!!!