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Old 07-22-2004, 01:41 AM   #1
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Question Eastern Straight Dance ?

Since the Schemitzun Pow-Wow at Foxwoods, Connecticut is coming up next month, it reminded me that they had a Dance Competition Category last year titled Eastern Straight Dance. I had never seen this category before. Is this a new development? Does anyone have any information on it?
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I asked this exact question awhile ago and didn't really receive a definitive answer. From what I gathered, they consider Eastern Straight as people from the East Coast dancing in their historical outfits without a bustle. The lack of a bustle is probably why they call it "straight". Other than that, I doubt it has any history to it at all.
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http://spirit-bears-tipi.50megs.com/dances1.html

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When I tried to click on this URL, all I got was an "Cannot Find" message. Is there a character missing from the URL address perhaps?
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nope it, works! just click the url!
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http://spirit-bears-tipi.50megs.com/dances1.html

you may have to right click copy and paste into the address let me know what happens.
I had the same problem with clicking directly on the url, but when I copied and pasted, as you suggested, it worked fine.
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What types of songs were sung? The only time I've ever seen this the dancers contested to regular pow wow songs.
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What types of songs were sung? The only time I've ever seen this the dancers contested to regular pow wow songs.

When I was at Schemitzun all I heard was regular pow-wow songs too. There is a dancer that dances and has won 1st on this category has his own songs. He's Shinnecock. Some Northeastern Drums have their own songs, with their language. But I'm not an expert on this, I just happen to know a paticular dancer.
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I'm still a little bit confused.

The URL (Spirit Bear's Tipi), explanation of Eastern Straight Dance states that, "Eastern Straight Dance is a contemporary version of an old style Eastern War Dance." The explanation then goes on to explain the origins of the War Dance Ceremony of the Pequot tribe of southeastern New England, noting that, "The last known time the Eastern War Dance was done in it's original form was during the early European and Indian Wars of the Northeast." Which I presume would be the French and Indian War in the 1750s perhaps?

I'm still left with questions such as,
How did Eastern War Dance evolve to Eastern Straight Dance?
Is Eastern Straight Dance primarily a Pequot tradition?
What are the basic components of an Eastern Straight Dance outfit?
Are there Pequot songs that are sung during dance festivals to which Eastern Straight Dancers dance?
Is there a Pequot Straight Dance Society?
How does one become an Eastern Straight Dancer?
What would be some resources to use in creating an Eastern Straight Dance outfit, using proper materials and craftwork?
Who would be a good contact person to learn more about this tradition?
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Historian, the best I can tell you is to contact someone from the Mohegans, Pequots, Narrangansset, and Shinnecock tribes. There are more but the names aren't coming to me right now. THe dancer I know is real, well, he moves alot! I can always find him at Pow-Wows, but getting up with him on the regular is a task. Sorry, I tried to help, I didn't want you to be more confused.

If you are going to Schemitzun, ask a Eastern Straight Dancer properly, and maybe they will be more than happy to explain.
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After 4 days of no posts, I will take a stab at this...

At Schemitzun I have seen dancers who have done their research on eastern tribal specific outfits from the Aquinnah Wampanoag, Narragansett, Piscataway and Eastern Cherokee tribes. All the above danced at one time or another in the Eastern Straight Dance contest at Schemitzun.

The Europeans met the Eastern tribes two-hundred years before some of the plains tribes, thus many eastern tribes aculturated far earlier than the Indians in the center of this country by wearing the EuroAmerican clothing to the point where actual tribal specific clothing is hard to research. This is only "my opinion" as a spectator. Again in my opinion, the majority of eastern straight dancer's outfits are subject to individual interpretation as is their dance movement.

Straight dancing is a nick name anyways. I think it would be more appropriate to call southern traditional dancing "man dancing" or "southern traditional dancing."

Anybody???
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Do they have the same style of dance as we have for our Inlonshka, Straight dance?
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What of styles like Oklahoma Delaware Straight Dance?
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Actually because of proximity the OK Delawares seem to dance the same as the rest of us. We all have some sort of variation to our presentation but we are dancing about the same. Yes many are better than the rest of us, but similar anyway.
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After 4 days of no posts, I will take a stab at this...

At Schemitzun I have seen dancers who have done their research on eastern tribal specific outfits from the Aquinnah Wampanoag, Narragansett, Piscataway and Eastern Cherokee tribes. All the above danced at one time or another in the Eastern Straight Dance contest at Schemitzun.

The Europeans met the Eastern tribes two-hundred years before some of the plains tribes, thus many eastern tribes aculturated far earlier than the Indians in the center of this country by wearing the EuroAmerican clothing to the point where actual tribal specific clothing is hard to research. This is only "my opinion" as a spectator. Again in my opinion, the majority of eastern straight dancer's outfits are subject to individual interpretation as is their dance movement.

Straight dancing is a nick name anyways. I think it would be more appropriate to call southern traditional dancing "man dancing" or "southern traditional dancing."

Anybody???
I think that has always been a problem when it comes to dressing Eastern Style
How far back do you want to go???
For The tribes in the Southeast Pre contact Traditional would be loincloth and bare chested
Men and women
Which in this day and age would get you arrested

So if you update your clothing and use modern clothes and techniques it stops being as traditional.

The "New" Woman's Cherokee Clothes is a prime example of what is called "New Old" Clothes...

So for a man i guess it would mean center seam leggings, pucker toe moccs
Some kind of muslin shirt and a turban
Which looks alot like old paintings of Sequoyah...
hmmmmm
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Actually because of proximity the OK Delawares seem to dance the same as the rest of us. We all have some sort of variation to our presentation but we are dancing about the same. Yes many are better than the rest of us, but similar anyway.
I have a copy of an interesting publication concerning Oklahoma Delaware Straight Dance. It is a 'Special Issue' of The Bulletin of the Archeological Society of New Jersey, No. 33, 1976, Seton Hall University, South Orange, NJ.

The entire issue, (45 pages), is dedicated to an article with photos and illustrations titled "Ceremonial Dress Of The Delaware Man" by James H. Howard. Its quite interesting, as it talks about the formal Oklahoma Delaware Ilawkan or "Warrior's Dance" which was last held in 1928 northeast of Copan, OK.
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I would be interested in that Historian,
There are three guys in Wisconsin that are Eastern Straight, but they will come out for the Southern straight songs.
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