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Old 05-23-2007, 04:42 AM   #1
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full beaded moccasins for Straight Dance

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Im searching for full beaded moccasins for Straight Dance, Pawnee, Otoe, or Kiowa. Who can help with good pictures? We are very happy, when here in the forum some dancers post pictures from her items.
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None of the tribes you mentioned were traditionally know for many kinds of fully beaded mocs that are appropriate to wear. With that said...these days many dancers from those tribe do wear fully beaded mocs of a more generic rather than traditional form (mostly in a Cheyenne style). I have lots of pics of mocs and would be willing to share...I just have way too many to post here. Drop me a PM with a few more specifics and I will see if I can help you out by emailing pics to you directly.
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I had a picture somewhere of my grampa (that's otoe) with a pair of fully beaded mocs. They were cool!

but yea its not on the computer.

Why you trynna copy my tribe? *L*
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I had a picture somewhere of my grampa (that's otoe) with a pair of fully beaded mocs. They were cool!

but yea its not on the computer.

Why you trynna copy my tribe? *L*
Jo, its difficult to understand for you, but the indian culture is very interesting for peoples in Europa. We all are knowing what was happen before 150 years to now, and we think, it is good to learn from you-the hand craft, and much other things.
Is it bad?
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Jo, its difficult to understand for you, but the indian culture is very interesting for peoples in Europa. We all are knowing what was happen before 150 years to now, and we think, it is good to learn from you-the hand craft, and much other things.
Is it bad?
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why?
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I wouldn't say it is bad. But Germany and the other countries in Europe have and extensive and long history/culture.

For instance it wouldn't make any sense for Indian people to wear powdered wigs and dress up and Waltz when we have our own extensive culture. Why don't Germans who celebrate Indian Culture focus more so on their own.

Just a thought/question.
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Well, It would not just be the Germans. NDN culture is studied and native crafts are done the world over. I have seen native crafts made by Germans, People from the old Czech republic, French, English, Polish, Russian and Japanese individuals. In most instances the work done by these individuals that are far and away from true native culture was outstanding. (I can't always say that about their knowledge base of the actual living culture, however those pesky oceans makes first hand experience with natives kinda hard for most foreign hobs.)

Now for a side thought...The use of "powdered wigs" is from several hundred years ago, as to whether the waltz was danced then or not I am not actually sure. Nonetheless the waltz is still around and danced by some even though the clothing worn has changed from when it was first danced Similarly, most all the modern forms of powwow dancing have their origins in older forms of dance and the clothes worn today most often are different than what was worn back in the day. Now everything evolves the world over ... and things done today like slow dancing at a school dance or a club could arguably be traced back to styles of dance like the waltz. The clothes are different, the music sounds different but the origins are still there. So if NDN couples are slow dancing at the local dance club or at a high school dance in their moderns clothes bought at the mall...aren't they doing the same thing that the foreign hobs are doing when they dance to powwow tunes in the NDN clothes they made or bought?

Just food for thought.
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Well, It would not just be the Germans. NDN culture is studied and native crafts are done the world over. I have seen native crafts made by Germans, People from the old Czech republic, French, English, Polish, Russian and Japanese individuals. In most instances the work done by these individuals that are far and away from true native culture was outstanding. (I can't always say that about their knowledge base of the actual living culture, however those pesky oceans makes first hand experience with natives kinda hard for most foreign hobs.)

Now for a side thought...The use of "powdered wigs" is from several hundred years ago, as to whether the waltz was danced then or not I am not actually sure. Nonetheless the waltz is still around and danced by some even though the clothing worn has changed from when it was first danced Similarly, most all the modern forms of powwow dancing have their origins in older forms of dance and the clothes worn today most often are different than what was worn back in the day. Now everything evolves the world over ... and things done today like slow dancing at a school dance or a club could arguably be traced back to styles of dance like the waltz. The clothes are different, the music sounds different but the origins are still there. So if NDN couples are slow dancing at the local dance club or at a high school dance in their moderns clothes bought at the mall...aren't they doing the same thing that the foreign hobs are doing when they dance to powwow tunes in the NDN clothes they made or bought?

Just food for thought.

Umm...

Slow dancing, jeans, suits, etc are a part of American Pop Culture. Indian people are American. Makes sense for us to "slow dance" "drop it like its hot" "mash potatoe" and so on.

Powwow Clothing and/or dance is not part of German(Or any other foreign) Culture. Therefore, it makes absolutely no sense to me why they would want to imitate us. The same as when boy scouts and other hobs here in America do it.

I don't see anyone getting dressed up as a slave being carried over on a slave ship, being sold on the "block".

But then again, I don't understand the point of reneactments either. *smile* lol

Just my useless two cents....
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Maybe the way you are going about learning isn't that great is the reason I posted. Sorry for not elaborating ~ it's just that there is so much more out there than the material culture that goes along with being Native, and it's a great thing to compliment your regalia with this knowledge.
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VERY NICE pair of Kiowa Mocs pictured there!!
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