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Grizzly Bear Claw Necklace

According to Norman Feder,

“...grizzly claw necklaces were apparently never vary numerous within any one tribe because of the difficulty in obtaining the claws.”
(Feder & Chandler, 1961, p. 7)

Even at a time when the great plains family of the grizzly bear species was abundant, it was difficult to hunt the animal. An early writer in the 1838 to 1840 period states,

“This famous grizzly bear is so ferocious that when the Osage wish to attack it, they raise a war party often fifty men strong”...“The victorious hunter is entitled to wear a necklace made with it’s claws.”
(Tixier, 1940, p. 248)

A common style of making the grizzly bear claw necklace among the Ponca, Osage, Iowa, Kaw, Omaha, Pawnee, Otoe and Missouri tribes has been described by Norman Feder as,

“...claws with double perforation, mounted on a core and covered with otter fur”...“a core that forms a continuous circle, and a tail composed of a separate otter skin pendant down the back.”
(Feder & Chandler, 1961, p. 11)

In addition, Thomas Mails makes reference to grizzly claw necklaces in “The Mystic Warriors of the Plains,” when he writes,

“The combined otter skin and bear claw necklaces”... “were made with broad bands of otter skin, and the long tail of the swift and cunning otter was arranged to hang down the center of the warrior’s back.”
(Mails, 1972, p. 372)

In most claw necklaces still in museum collections, there are an average of 40 claws in a necklace of this type, and usually only the longer front claws were used as the grizzly bear hind claws are much shorter. Large glass trade beads are often used as spacers between the claws, strung halfway down the claw at the secondary perforation alluded to above.

In latter years, with the depletion of the Great Plains Grizzly Bear (now extinct), many tribes made claw necklaces from Rocky Mountain Grizzly Bear, or from carved elk antler. In fact, as an example of how they became so popular, one of these grizzly claw necklaces made from carved elkhorn and collected at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas as early as 1838, is on display at the American Museum of Natural History.

Historically among the Ponca, as an example, it was usually notable warriors who gained the honor and right to wear a Grizzly Bear Claw Necklace. Either by killing two or more Grizzly Bears and making a necklace of the claws, or by killing an enemy warrior who wore a Grizzly Bear Claw Necklace, thus giving you the right to wear his. (Abe Conklin, 1986)

While seen occasionally among straight dancers today, the Grizzly Bear Claw Necklace may not have the same meaning associated with it's use back in the day.

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Necklace of the Iowa Chief called The White Cloud, displayed by the Iowa tribe of Kansas and Nebraska in their museum.


The White Cloud painted by George Catlin in 1845


Mesquakie - 1860 (Courtesy of the National Museum of the American Indian)


Carved Elk Antler necklace




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MAN those look keen!!

Noticed lots of them are those "turban wearing fools".



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Now I understand the carved antler claws were due to the depleted bear population, and that the right to make/wear a bearclaw necklace came from killing 2 or more bears. Who has the right to make/wear a necklace made from the carved antler? Also how popular were/are the carved necklaces?
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is this a beaded turban in the photo of "Little Pipe - Otoe - 1869"

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YES...that is fully beaded "turban" for lack of better words.

I have an extended family member that has one that is exactly like Little Pipes but he won't wear it any more because people call him "princess". It is sad that our own people don't know their own traditional clothing styles.

I was hoping Historian would have answered the question about who could wear the carved antler necklaces.
I've seen just a few pictures of carved antler necklaces in my many years of looking at old photos.


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thanks for the info. it looks good. i think i saw a northern traditional dancer with something similar at gathering of nations a couple of years ago. ill look for the photo.
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Now I understand the carved antler claws were due to the depleted bear population, and that the right to make/wear a bearclaw necklace came from killing 2 or more bears. Who has the right to make/wear a necklace made from the carved antler? Also how popular were/are the carved necklaces?

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As far as I know, today, the right to wear a set of grizzly claws, or even a set of imatation claws made from elk antler, is determined by families, clans or societies within each tribe who still hold that tradition. For the most part, men who wear a set of claws are usually veterans, or someone who has been given the right to wear them by a veteran.
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I have only seen pictures of men wearing bear claws. Were women ever allowed or given the right to wear bear claws?
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I have only seen pictures of men wearing bear claws. Were women ever allowed or given the right to wear bear claws?
I've never seen or heard of women wearing a set of Grizzly Bear claws.
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thank you for your input Historian I was curious about that.
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Those claws seem good, they have good shape.
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