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Old 03-22-2004, 11:36 PM   #1
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Hey Everyone,
I was wondering if anyone had tips on how to sit, or position your loom when beading. I have a small loom that I usually use on my dining room table. I have to bend over it to work. Maybe it's the way I'm sitting, but my back can really hurt if I loom for long periods at a time.
I do intend from now on to get up every once in awhile & stretch, but do you have any other tips?
I've been beading more and more and am thinking about getting a BearCat Loom - the kind that's on a stand. I'm hoping this will put me in a better sitting position. Has anyone tried it? Any other loom that'll keep me upright?

Thanks in advance for any input.

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You are so right. Best thing I can tell you is to get a good cushion for your but. That helped me. Also learn to sit with your back straight. I had to adjust the light until I could get it where I could see and still sit up right. I sit high and look down on my work, just try to look down with your neck and not hunch over with your back. Sitting as far back in the chair as possible helps too. Your neck will get a little crimped for a few minutes after working along time, but goes away after a while. Much better than having a sore back for weeks.

Of corse there is one fail safe way to make your back not hurt at all, just get someone else to do your work for you. That tends to hurt the pocket book though.

The looms on the stands will probably not help your back much. I guess it's all in what you like personally. I still like using the loom my pa made when I was a young'n, and I don't intend to change anytime soon. Find something that you like and stick with it.
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Thanks, BeadMan!
You're always so helpful. I didn't even think about using a cushion.
I will keep the loom I have now & try your suggestions.

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I was gonna suggest getting something like a music stand that you can mount it on or attach it to so you can raise it to a comfy height and tilt the loom towards you. When i was working with a small loom I had the same problem ..but I did'nt have a stand or easel or anything.. what I would do is make myself comfy on the couch and then sit crosslegged with a fluffy pillow over my lap and put the loom up there.. with more pillow and such I could get the loom to sit comfortably in my lap where it did'nt hurtmy arms or back or wrists.. but I don't usually do loomwork... this was back in the day
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Yeah, BlackBear, I've done it that way too a few times - using a pillow on my lap. It's fairly comfortable, but I still end up a little stooped over.
I guess I just gotta drink lots of milk (which I'm not really crazy about) and hope that I don't end up looking like the Hunchback - ugh.
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I found an old style school desk - the kind with the chair attached to the desk in the center. It was very comfy to sit at and bead. The desk was angled up slightly with a lip at the bottom. We moved and I left it. What was I thinking??!!??
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I had the same problem,,,it's gone,,, I modified my chair. I added a clamp under the seat that would hold a bracket made of wood that fit on my lap through a hole I put into the chair for that reason , nice and high, with a tray built in for the beads I am using and a holder for thread, needles, needle eye, scissors, as well as a holder to the one side holding the pattern, off the top comes my mag light and shines down on my work. The bracket I made is a piece of 2 x 4 lumber that goes into the hole in the chair,, the clamp is actually a deck cup bracket for making decks,,, it is mounted under the chair with screws, the padding goes back over the seat once you sit in place and then drop the post in place,,, easy and fun.
The tray has a few small drawers on the sides for all the small stuff, thanks to a blacksmith that gave me the idea when I was just a kid starting in beading.
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Wow, Tibiki, that sounds so cool. I think I can picture it....
I don't have the resources to do something like that right now, but it's something to think about.
Do you have a picture? I'd love to see it.

Thanks again for the info.
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what I would do is make myself comfy on the couch and then sit crosslegged with a fluffy pillow over my lap and put the loom up there..

Black Bear,
Your couch must have more beads than loose change in between the cushions! :50:
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No I don't have a picture, but here are a few more tips on the chair, number one sit comfortably straight on the chair you use for beading, a straight backed one, take a piec of 2 x 4 lumber and hold it between your legs and trace it onto the chair, then witha jig saw cut the hole out, under the chair you can make a little box low enough so that the 2 x 4 won't wiggle when set in, then for the rest.... the height has to be at a good work height, for the top use a piece of plywood 3/4 inch thick 2 feet long and 16 inches wide, add a small rim in moldings so that small beads won't fall off,,, I hate when they roll all over the floor,,or in Black Bears case into the couch,,, how many spare pounds she has there ,,,wah!!! Next step,,, under the bottom of the tray make a few little drawers for thread and tools so you don't have to get up every five minutes for this and that for beading, as well if you get used to using this setup you can go one further,,, make a swivel base for your loom that can tilt and lock in any postion you need to have it in, I use a lamp base from a swing arm lamp, (I take the lamp head off and from there attach the loom) my loom is attached to it so that I can move it up or down and turn it to any degree and freeze it in a position so I can always be cozy. Some nights I was actually doing a complete belt and finding that the time went fast!!!

I have a similar setup for my dremel in the basement with a lamp stand from a holgen lamp with a tray (The tray is mounted so that it is on my lap) and the dremel is mounted on a swing arm from a cheap lamp, that keeps the dremel high and clear and with the flex shaft I can carve to my hearts content!!!
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Great ideas with the custom chair brackets Tibiki! One point I wanted to make specifically though, even though you already included it...

One time, I got the smart idea to put the loom up on top of some books on the table I normally work at, so I didn't need to bend over so much... Trouble was, I didn't have a similarly elevated spot for the BEADS, so I was constantly leaning over for beads, then sitting back up to the loom, leaning over for beads, sitting back up to the loom... In a few hours I was so sore I decided THAT was a real stupid idea.

And one more thing, If you're getting all set up in a nice comfortable position, MAKE SURE THE PHONE IS WITHIN REACH BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN, and and have a place for a cup of coffee or something to drink... Man, I wish I could remember that stinkin phone! It ALWAYS rings just after I get comfortable...

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Hey that is why mine has a built in cup holder on one side, slightly lower on a bracket so the thread doesn't get stuck in it,,, as well i have a cordless phone that I set beside me,,, no problem there anymore!!! I sunk in a few plastic holders for 10 different bead colors and fill them about half full so that they can't mix either, rectangualr so that the needle can dig up a bead at a time! The reason I can't post a picture of it is that I am at work and the chair is a good 150 miles away!
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BearCat Loom ... i did not know that it was called that! LOL

Them old-style school desks, never thought of that, either ... wonder where I would get one?

I think that the level of your seat and your loom should be comfortable, for you, and sit up straight. Also take breaks to stretch, maybe get up and walk around a little bit.

I usually just sit in a chair at the table when I do loomwork. I have an adjustable size loom [36 inches long by 3 inches] and it is comfortable just about anywhere the light is good. Even sitting on a blanket at a powwow. And I don't care where I am at when I do rosettes, either ... I just got a comfortable style. Of, course now when you get to any of the finishing parts involving adhesive, the table is best!!! LOL At least for me.

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Hey Cuz!!! good to see you back online... so is that an Ultimate Loom by Loomworks cause you just described my 75 dollar loom I never use LOL
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