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Old 03-21-2013, 12:42 PM   #1
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To Czech or Miyuki? LOL

So I'm trying to figure out some colors for some beadwork and been reading some of the other threads...and I got to thinking...

Do different type beads serve different purposes?

Seems like Czech beads would work well for applique or 2-thread beading.

And it seems Miyukis (with bigger holes) would work well on moccassins due to the movement of da feet. Kind of like more bead movement allowance when you're doing a bad arse step. LOL

My eyeballs do not like the bead colors on websites. I'll prolly send off for bead charts.

Wachu think?
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So I'm trying to figure out some colors for some beadwork and been reading some of the other threads...and I got to thinking...

Do different type beads serve different purposes?

Seems like Czech beads would work well for applique or 2-thread beading.

And it seems Miyukis (with bigger holes) would work well on moccassins due to the movement of da feet. Kind of like more bead movement allowance when you're doing a bad arse step. LOL

My eyeballs do not like the bead colors on websites. I'll prolly send off for bead charts.

Wachu think?

Ive never used Miyukis, so I have nothing to offer in that dept but I like to use mostly 3 cuts due to I like shiney lol, My main set is in those. Most of my neclaces and earrings are sizes 13 & 14 cuts. With that being said ive not really helpd you lol but I will say hello :)
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Ive never used Miyukis, so I have nothing to offer in that dept but I like to use mostly 3 cuts due to I like shiney lol, My main set is in those. Most of my neclaces and earrings are sizes 13 & 14 cuts. With that being said ive not really helpd you lol but I will say hello :)
3 cuts sparkle like your eyes! hahaaa You always help, EP.

I'm bad about researching EVERYTHING. Was looking at colors, then got off on types of seed beads.
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My mother beads a lot more with Czechs, but I tend to use miyukis a lot more. It really does depend on the project and what look you're going for on the project though. I use a lot of delicas in sizes 15 and 11 for most projects due to the uniformity, feel, and hole size.

Not sure that anyone else feels this way but I also like the way they feel when stringing and weaving them. My mum and I mainly do a lot of bead weaving using fireline (and sinew on some projects) and after a very long period of use or a lot of weaving through multiple beads, mum's czech beads, crystals, etc. will often wear away the wire/stringing material a bit quicker than when either of us work with miyukis.

Maybe it's just us, but our line seems to wear and snap sooner when working with certain types of beads rather others (of course, tension also comes into play here, but I've had a lot more trouble with snapping rows of czechs than rows of miyukis).

On some occasions, I'll actually do two of the same designs but with different types of beads. Same exact weave, but they'll look completely different because of the types of beads used. So I think it just depends on what project you're doing and what look you're going for.
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So I'm trying to figure out some colors for some beadwork and been reading some of the other threads...and I got to thinking...

Do different type beads serve different purposes?

Seems like Czech beads would work well for applique or 2-thread beading.

And it seems Miyukis (with bigger holes) would work well on moccassins due to the movement of da feet. Kind of like more bead movement allowance when you're doing a bad arse step. LOL

My eyeballs do not like the bead colors on websites. I'll prolly send off for bead charts.

Wachu think?



I prefer czech in 11s....cause I can't see them itty bitties !!! LOL And I can get them in cuts ! Those miyukis are slightly different shape !
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You know what I like...? Those Czech 8s that are crystal clear with a silver lining. They look like melting clear ice on a hot day. Make me thirsty just looking at them. I used them to do some beading on DILs wedding dress that had them on the lace applique designs; she wanted a bolero jacket and I matched the flowers and beads from the dress onto the jacket I sewed for her.

Loved the look....I need to use it for a powwow project.
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When I was younger, I used to bead all in French beads. But now I am liking the Czech beads. I get more colors and the ones I've been getting have been very even.

I have to say that I'm not fond of the Japanese beads. They are too uniform. I suppose they would be really good for peyote. I have some but I don't even take them out of my stash. I think they have been in there a very long time.
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The Miyuki beads are more square shaped than the rounder Czech beads. That will affect the look of your finished product. As stated above, the Miyukis have larger and thinner holes so they are not as durable as other kinds of beads. Because of that, I would not use them for mocs due to the wear these will get.

My bead stash is made up of mostly Czech beads and most of my work is done with those, for every beading technique. However, I do like to use the smaller size 15 Japanese beads. Don't have much of the Miyuki 11/o. My stash also has some French and Italian beads. Man, the old Italian beads are soooooo uneven and crooked but the colors are not found in more modern beads.

Getting bead sample charts is a good idea especially with the Japanese beads since there are a gazillion colors and finishes available.
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You know what I like...? Those Czech 8s that are crystal clear with a silver lining. They look like melting clear ice on a hot day. Make me thirsty just looking at them. I used them to do some beading on DILs wedding dress that had them on the lace applique designs; she wanted a bolero jacket and I matched the flowers and beads from the dress onto the jacket I sewed for her.

Loved the look....I need to use it for a powwow project.
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Do you mean pics of the dress? AWWW, phooey, that was ages ago. Nope, don't have the pics, sorry....but I am sure DIL has plenty of the event. It was a wonderful wedding, and she has been a a peach of a DIL.

Or do you mean pics of the beads?

http://www.dibeads.com/Merchant2/gra...ed_275x275.jpg
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I bought a bunch of Miyuki for bead weaving earring once, but I gave them all away.

Like WD, my favs are size 11 cut Czechs. Followed by size 9 tri-cuts in a distant third...actually they're great for applique and SUCK for lazy stitch.
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I've got Miyuki, Czech, Delica and Toho seed beads-in 11, 15, 13 and 3 cut. LOL! I use the Ornela Czechs from FMG. They have a deep, rich colors and are pretty consistent size wise. I use them for my bead embroidery and used some for a bracelet I'm about to take off the loom. I like the Miyuki beads, but wouldn't suggest them for anything that would get a lot of wear and tear. I think my favorite beads are the Toho ones. They are Japanese but not as perfect as the Delicas. They are kind of like fat Czech beads. LOL! Consistent size, good colors and durable. If I beaded mocs, I would use those.
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Like WD, my favs are size 11 cut Czechs. Followed by size 9 tri-cuts in a distant third...actually they're great for applique and SUCK for lazy stitch.
What was the close second?
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I've got Miyuki, Czech, Delica and Toho seed beads-in 11, 15, 13 and 3 cut. LOL! I use the Ornela Czechs from FMG. They have a deep, rich colors and are pretty consistent size wise. I use them for my bead embroidery and used some for a bracelet I'm about to take off the loom. I like the Miyuki beads, but wouldn't suggest them for anything that would get a lot of wear and tear. I think my favorite beads are the Toho ones. They are Japanese but not as perfect as the Delicas. They are kind of like fat Czech beads. LOL! Consistent size, good colors and durable. If I beaded mocs, I would use those.
Now see...here's my issue. You look at the colors...and then they bombard you with all these crazy names!!! hahaaaa

You forgot Precosia, Charlottes, and who knows what else! hahaaa

So what's the difference between a 3-cut and a True Cut Charlotte?

See what I'm talking about, Willis!

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Ok, Mr. Analyzer....Precosia/Ornela-same beads. The official brand name is Precosia Ornela Czech glass seed beads. The other names, are brand names, too-Toho, Delica, etc.. As for the 3 cut-Charlotte thing, according to Wikipedia-and most beaders I know it's this:
"Charlotte cuts are most often available as size 15 or 13 seed beads that have part of the surface of the bead cut (or "faceted") to produce more shine. Size 11 Charlottes are also available but harder to find. Charlotte is specifically a term for single faceted beads but can also be used when 2 or 3 facets are added to the bead to add more sparkle. Charlottes with 2 or 3 cuts to the surface are also known as "two-cut" or "three cut" beads but "charlotte" is the generally accepted term for this group of seed beads, though some choose to use the term more specifically for beads with one cut surface, preferring "two-cut" or "three-cut" to be used for the other variations."
A few years ago, one of the beading magazines-Beadwork, I think- had an article oh how seed beads are made. The author was Japanese and toured the Toho and Miyuki factories. It was a pretty neat read. I looked for the link to it, but can't find it now. (: Any more questions? I don't have "small bead addict" under my name for nuthin'. LOL!
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Now see...here's my issue. You look at the colors...and then they bombard you with all these crazy names!!! hahaaaa
In the course of my job, I have to formulate colors for the plastics in some of the lenses I design. We frequently have color pandemonium. So, last summer R&D was called on the develop a set of unique names for each color formulation. Being an uber-nerd, the head of R&D started with buying a set of Pantone chips and doing an internet search on the history of color names. We have nothing on the Victorians. They had some really -- uh -- interesting names:

Dead Spaniard -- a bluish grey
Gooseturd -- a greenish gray
Popinjay -- a bluish green
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Ok, Mr. Analyzer....Precosia/Ornela-same beads. The official brand name is Precosia Ornela Czech glass seed beads. The other names, are brand names, too-Toho, Delica, etc.. As for the 3 cut-Charlotte thing, according to Wikipedia-and most beaders I know it's this:
"Charlotte cuts are most often available as size 15 or 13 seed beads that have part of the surface of the bead cut (or "faceted") to produce more shine. Size 11 Charlottes are also available but harder to find. Charlotte is specifically a term for single faceted beads but can also be used when 2 or 3 facets are added to the bead to add more sparkle. Charlottes with 2 or 3 cuts to the surface are also known as "two-cut" or "three cut" beads but "charlotte" is the generally accepted term for this group of seed beads, though some choose to use the term more specifically for beads with one cut surface, preferring "two-cut" or "three-cut" to be used for the other variations."
A few years ago, one of the beading magazines-Beadwork, I think- had an article oh how seed beads are made. The author was Japanese and toured the Toho and Miyuki factories. It was a pretty neat read. I looked for the link to it, but can't find it now. (: Any more questions? I don't have "small bead addict" under my name for nuthin'. LOL!
So 3-cut is blingier than 2-cut which is blingier than True Cut? LOL I looked at 11/0 3-cut from one company and it only showed black. Is there a company that has a bigger choice? Is black blingy at night?

Is there much difference in 10/0 and 11/0?

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In the course of my job, I have to formulate colors for the plastics in some of the lenses I design. We frequently have color pandemonium. So, last summer R&D was called on the develop a set of unique names for each color formulation. Being an uber-nerd, the head of R&D started with buying a set of Pantone chips and doing an internet search on the history of color names. We have nothing on the Victorians. They had some really -- uh -- interesting names:

Dead Spaniard -- a bluish grey
Gooseturd -- a greenish gray
Popinjay -- a bluish green
Do these colors come in 3-cut? hahaaaa
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True cut has one facet-the rest whatever the number is. So yes, they would be blingier than true cuts. I'm partial to 3 cuts, especially in the 13s. There are also hex beads-kind of like short bugle beads-with facets. Those really sparkle. Try looking at Beadcats (perfect place for you), Matoska Trading Company and Crazy Crow. I don't think 10's are all that much bigger than 11's. I've got some, and can't tell that much difference.

I have some of those Dead Spaniard beads-only they went a little more PC and called them Cadet Blue. :)
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