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Old 05-20-2017, 02:04 AM   #21
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Perhaps I should have a used felt-tip pen instead of pencil. Pencil is easier to erase in case of error.

I tried with "monster" beads what I think how cheyenne stitch is. I suppose that I am still missing the point.

On the back you see the what on buckskin would not be visible on the back but is within the skin.
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If I understood what Wardancer said correctly, rather than running the stitch through the first beads of the prior row, it is run underneath the threads anchoring the prior row.
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Cheyenne style lazy stitch doesn't "stitch" on both ends ! First row does , but the second row hooks the threads on the first row
Cause he says that second row is stitched only on one end to the hide lets me think, that the thread on the other end goes through the last bead of the first row.

The other way would be to tuck the thread of the second row under the thread of the first row which comes out of the last bead but without going through the hide. As seen in your attached.

Oh, oh. If so, you need to be even more awfully accurate in the length and uniformity of all stitches.
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If I understood what Wardancer said correctly, rather than running the stitch through the first beads of the prior row, it is run underneath the threads anchoring the prior row.
That is correct. Just go around the threads of the prior row.
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Oh, oh. If so, you need to be even more awfully accurate in the length and uniformity of all stitches.
Indeed. Many of us draw light pencil lines on the hide, marking the edges of the lanes. You will need to cull your beads, removing the very thin and very thick, to keep the lanes even.

Since colors often differ in thickness, you may need to vary the number of beads in a row. For example I frequently use medium/turquoise blues for backgrounds (252, 254, 242, 247, 240) and lots of the dark red (082) in my designs. This red is often thinner than the beads in the background. I may have an 8 bead lane in the background, but in the red area it will be 9 beads wide.
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Indeed. Many of us draw light pencil lines on the hide, marking the edges of the lanes. You will need to cull your beads, removing the very thin and very thick, to keep the lanes even.

Since colors often differ in thickness, you may need to vary the number of beads in a row.

This red is often thinner than the beads in the background. I may have an 8 bead lane in the background, but in the red area it will be 9 beads wide.

I am preparing to do one new pair of mocs. I am yet undecided if the pattern shall be in general a total of eleven (6 + 5) or thirteen (7+6) beads. The lower row the one with the more beads.

I will do some tests beading on scrap pieces before beading the real piece and follow your advices.



All projects are delayed for some time. Now is busy time of the year because of all the exams which need to be rated.

With that pair, I will have more mocs than I can ever wear out. As slipper, one pair might last me a lifetime. In the forest and on the meadow of the archery club, the not beaded pair lasts longer than expected and will last even longer. Nobody seems to notice the not beaded mocs. (Ok, I only put them on when the weather is dry and sunny.)
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I generally do 7 as well , but depending on bead sizes and pattern designs , that count can vary. Like Ol'C says , some colors are thinner or thicker , so on a smaller design set it can really make a difference.
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I am preparing to do one new pair of mocs.
Are you making hard sole or soft sole ?
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HI WD,

I used White Latigo for all the mocs I made.

The suppliers in Germany import that right out of Texas.

On ordering I always hoped for the thicker soles. Harder to turn but better to wear. And I attached thin anti-slippery soles after sliding one time and landing the whole length on my back on concrete but avoided to hit with the back of my head. You don't see the antislippery sole if standing on the moccs.
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HI WD,

I used White Latigo for all the mocs I made.

The suppliers in Germany import that right out of Texas.

On ordering I always hoped for the thicker soles. Harder to turn but better to wear. And I attached thin anti-slippery soles after sliding one time and landing the whole length on my back on concrete but avoided to hit with the back of my head. You don't see the antislippery sole if standing on the moccs.
Same sole material I use !

Do you wet them to sew and turn them ?
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Same sole material I use !

Do you wet them to sew and turn them ?
I sew and turn them with dry sole.
For sewing I have prestitched the soles with an awl at measured equal spacing. First marking th eplaces where to prestitch, about 3 mm apart adn than using the awl to make the holes. The top of the awl should just barly go through the Latigo. The holes shall be as large as neccessary and as small as possible.

May be not historically correct but practical to me.
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I was taught to rub the side of a pair of scissors along the edge of the sole. It kind of raises and thickens the edge.

Flex the sole a bunch before sewing and turning. It helps. I also knot the stitches, without cutting the cord, at intervals. It helps keep the stitches from loosening up. (I don't have the hand strength I used to.) It helps keep the tension even and will help contain a blow out.


WD, do you space your stitches closer on the instep?

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Yes flexing is very important and you need force in your hands to flex the sole. If the Latigo is very thick, hard work.

The two sides of the sole are different. Where the flesh was, it becomes the inside.
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I was taught to rub the side of a pair of scissors along the edge of the sole. It kind of raises and thickens the edge.

Flex the sole a bunch before sewing and turning. It helps. I also knot the stitches, without cutting the cord, at intervals. It helps keep the stitches from loosening up. (I don't have the hand strength I used to.) It helps keep the tension even and will help contain a blow out.


WD, do you space your stitches closer on the instep?
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Yes flexing is very important and you need force in your hands to flex the sole. If the Latigo is very thick, hard work.

The two sides of the sole are different. Where the flesh was, it becomes the inside.
O.K. I've made a few pairs of mocs , but really I'm still learning. I do tend to make my stitches closer at the instep and toe.1/8th , 1/4th on the rest. When getting ready I soak the sole , completely saturate the material. Then take 1 out and pat dry with a towel and pre punch your holes. Then the other. I usually do this the day before I plan on sewing them up. The next day I dampen them and start sewing them , but typically I don't quit until I'm done. It's so much easier to turn them when they are damp.Once turned I stuff them with paper and set someplace to dry slowly. Check them so they don't warp.
We always wear hides the same way the animal wore them !This works for me , try at your own risk ! LOL I just whip stitch them......sometimes I'll throw in a half hitch along the way.
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And I have a turning stick ! LOL an 1 1/4 dowel sanded flat and rounded on 1 end ! Works like a champ !
And yes BA , I use a small awl.
Ol'C the scissor trick works the same as my belt sander ! LOL
I try to always cut out and leave the line , then I sand it down to the line.
I don't hope for thicker soles , I demand them when I order !LOL They've kinda gotten to know me !
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Cause he says that second row is stitched only on one end to the hide lets me think, that the thread on the other end goes through the last bead of the first row.

The other way would be to tuck the thread of the second row under the thread of the first row which comes out of the last bead but without going through the hide. As seen in your attached.

Oh, oh. If so, you need to be even more awfully accurate in the length and uniformity of all stitches.
This is correct , but actually this give you more leeway so to speak. When you bead like this it actually averages your tension. You pull each row tight and it pulls the beads up from every attached row. The end result is your beadwork lays flatter.
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Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
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Somebody is out there somewhere, thinking of you and the impact you made in their life.
It's not me....I think you're an idiot !





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I don't hope for thicker soles , I demand them when I order !LOL They've kinda gotten to know me !
I used to get some nice thick blanks at R.L. Cox Hides and Furs is Albq. But that was back when I was living in Albq.
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