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Broken Arrow 10-23-2018 11:56 AM

Small pouch or bag
Needed some distraction for good reason.


It is a give away. For someone I know well and will go Edgewood, NM next year to EOT World Championship.

OLChemist 10-23-2018 12:32 PM

Nice. I like the design.

I'm going to make a few suggestions:

If you're beading this after you've sewn the bag together don't. Bead all but the area right by the seam. Then sewn and turn the bag. Bead over the seam.

Bead on the rough side. I can't tell for sure from the picture, but it looks like you're beading on the smooth side. You can get your needle in deeper on the rough side. Also the softness and flex lets your beads move a little, which can hide a not perfectly spaced stitch.

When beading, those little peaks of white hide, can be really disconcerting. It can make you want to cram your rows closer together. Resist! You're sitting directly above the work, you will see tiny gaps that aren't visible in the finished piece. Crowding is more visible.

A ruler and an Exacto knife are your friends when cutting fringe. I use a quilting ruler with a nice grid and clear surface to get even strips. If the leather shifts, cut on a scrap of plywood. The roughness of the wood will hold the hide and keep it from slipping.

Go look up work by: Rhonda Holy Bear, Juanita Growing Thunder Fogarty, Teri Greeves, Holly Young, Karen Beaver, Molly Murphy Adams, Richard Aitson... Study their work.

Broken Arrow 10-23-2018 01:14 PM

Your suggestions are always welcome.

The piece was beaded before sewing. After sewing on the left side, it was turned inside out. Same as with medival shoes or mocassins. The seam is not beaded yet.

I think about a row of black beads from the bottom to the top on the side. In this way, it can be interpreted as a flag pole. Dark brown may be another choice.

It is a piece of remaining scrap leather of a not overly good hide I got for the asking. Hard to tell what the smooth side is. It is not brain tanned. Brain tanned hides are hard to get.

I'll try your suggested method with the wood. What is a good width for fringe? Suppose depending on the dimension of the piece himself. With the cones attached to the Fringe, may be 3 mm or 1/4 inch?

Sigh, Rhonda Holy Bear.com very, very good looking.

OLChemist 10-23-2018 01:51 PM

Is it double sueded? I can't really tell from the pics.

Your cones will make a prettier noise at the ends of the fringe.


On something like that, I'd go 4-5mm for the width on the fringe.

If you're going for a southern plains look, you might want to twist your fringe. To do this, mist your fringe with water. Twist the damp fringe. Sometimes commercial hides want to untwist. Leave a little extra tab at the end, and clamp the fringe down with a clothes pin or some other non-marring thing until the leather dries. You can shape the tab or trim it off.

OLChemist 10-23-2018 02:01 PM

I've had the pleasure of a few close up looks at Ms Holy Bear's work. She uses tiny antique beads - 16/0, 18/0, 20/0, 22/0 - for some of her dolls.

Those are hard to get and require lots of culling, because they can be quite irregular. I have a few kilos of the real antiques I use for fan handles. You throw a lot of beads away because they're lopsided or super thin. I have some 18/0 steel cuts that are thread manglers. Every 20th or so bead has a razor sharp burr that slices away.

Broken Arrow 10-23-2018 03:23 PM

It is not double sueded.

The difference between outside and inside isn't so much, to my eye but you are right, I beaded on the smoother side.

It would be much easier if I could hand you the leather to examine. What I can get is the so called German tanned buckskin. The quality can differ a lot.

If I remember right, this bag is made from a "scrap" piece which the tanner at black forest sold for 5 a piece because he s aid that piece is unusable for clothing on sale.

Good enough for starters and bags for that purpose. Fired black powder cartridges can be very dirty and bp residue is quite clinging.

You gave me a good reason for a second bag of that design, this time with the cones at the end of the Fringe. There are enough brass cones left for a second bag.

Twisted fringe I am not sure that I would go for that.

Pst, the copper and tin cones are more to my liking than the brass ones.

I have never had a close look on old original beadwork. Only a look at more than arm length away and shielded by glass at the Karl May Museum.

Antique beads I know can be found in Germany but not easily and I do not have any. Even the modern Czech beads can have edges which wear on the thread and are not as uniform as one might think. At first I was once quite astonished that No. 9 black beads fit to No. 10 white, red, yellow and blue beads while No.10 black beads seems to fit more to No. 11 beads of other colors.

OLChemist 10-23-2018 04:00 PM

Maybe I misunderstand. Ms Holy Bear's work isn't old.

I've had a few chances to examine really old - sinew sewn - stuff. It was amazing what those ladies could do with an awl. I once saw a set of Cheyenne men's moccasins beaded in 18/0's on sinew! Someone really loved their son or husband to do that work.

Seed beads are made by using a machine to pull a glass tube. These tubes are cut into smaller cans. The canes are mixed with charcoal and plaster and fired polished to produce a round/oval shape. (Some of the glass formulations used to make the tubes are striking colors and don't reach their final color until the fire polishing.) The finished beads are cleaned, sorted and strung.

The tubes for the really old beads were pulled by two running men. Hence the irreproducibility in size.

Broken Arrow 10-23-2018 04:24 PM

Mrs. Holy Bears work is contemporary but doing such work with antique beads, great.

Yes, but be a great love. Seems like the same with hand sewn shirts of medieval times. The ladies could sew better by hand than most can do today with machines. You need a lot of practice and patience do do it in such quality.

When I look at the pictures within "Beauty, Honor, and Tradition The Legacy of Plains Indian Shirt's by Joseph D. and George P. Horse Capture" the ladies did marvellous work.

Broken Arrow 11-01-2018 03:53 PM

Second bag is almost complete. Photo just taken is not good. Next week, I show you. This time the cones are at the end of the fringe. They are like miniature bells.

Broken Arrow 11-05-2018 09:35 AM

Here we go:

Second Texas bag or puch:


Now the cones jingle.

I am working on another bag or pouch but is not completed yet:


Broken Arrow 11-12-2018 02:10 AM

Bag completed.


Broken Arrow 11-26-2018 10:12 AM

Another one


OLChemist 11-26-2018 11:01 AM

I especially like that one.

Broken Arrow 12-25-2018 02:52 PM

As I needed some distraction and time to think I tried applique stitch. Think I learned a lesson by my faults. There is much more planning in what to do , how to do and in what order to do to learn than I did in the first place.

Question is, shall I fill the spaces in the wheels with beads; powder blue beads and in the center of the wheels; green beeds ore leave the buckskin unbeaded.

The inner side will be covered by red or navy blue trade cloth to hide and protect the thread.

If the question of covering the rest of buckskin with beads is decided and down, the Fringe has to be added and the bag sewn together.

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Think I will have to do a greater number of such ammo bags as give aways for the 2019 meeting of the collectors of F.A.U.L license build Colt Armies.

Broken Arrow 01-06-2019 08:51 AM

Finished the pouch.

Navy Blue inside wool covering. Edge Zipper beaded.
There were only brass cones for half of Fringe left.
Fortunately in such a number, that the uncovered fringe is the same on both sides.


Broken Arrow 01-06-2019 08:54 AM

Finished another bag to calm down


OLChemist 01-06-2019 10:08 AM


Are you cutting your fringe after sewing the bag? This can be done, but you need a steady and strong hand to get in close to the base of the bag. I've never been able to do it. I cut mine before hand.

Broken Arrow 01-12-2019 02:12 PM

I have cut the Fringe after sewing the bag.

The bag with the uncut Fringe is laid flat on a cutting sheet. I have a metal ruler which I use to cut along.

I have a roller blade knife and two very sharp knifes used by shoemakers to cut leather.

I cut starting at the bag where the Fringe is sewed to the bag. You'll need pressure with all three blades. The thicker the hide the more pressure you need; on the ruler and the knife.

On the next bag, I cut the Fringe before sewing the bag.

JiuJitsuFighter 01-15-2019 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Broken Arrow (Post 1637670)
Needed some distraction for good reason.


It is a give away. For someone I know well and will go Edgewood, NM next year to EOT World Championship.

Nice bag....Shout out to Texas....where my peeps are from...

Broken Arrow 01-17-2019 07:56 AM

Tried another one and again in lazy stitch. This time Fringe cut before to sewing to the bag.

I am undecided what is the more practical way. Cutting first the Fringe or cutting after the sewing. I assume that larger Fringe as for scabbards are better cut before sewing.

I am running out of ideas at the moment for patterns to bead. I have run out of copper cons to. Waiting for supply to add the missing for cones.


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