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Old 03-14-2006, 04:12 PM   #21
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Is feathering a Northern thang' or a Southern thang'?

If it's a Northern thang', this thread belongs in the Northern Singing forum.
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Is feathering a Northern thang' or a Southern thang'?

If it's a Northern thang', this thread belongs in the Northern Singing forum.
I actually considered bouncing this thread already but decided to let it fly because there are so many people who are unaware of true "Southern Protocol". As southern singing ventures outside of Oklahoma, sometimes things are a bit more leanient. This is especially true when people are in an area that is heavy in Northern influences.

So WhoMe, good question! Whats the general concensus here folks?
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i thought it was like dancing with a dollar up in the air and then throwing it at drum...hehehehehe
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So this isn't a thread on the proper cleaning of a drum after a good ruffle in a bull ring??

Guess I'll put my feather duster away then....sigh
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LMAO hobbs.....step away from the drum and put away the featherdusters... TFF....what are some of the ways other tribes stop the drum? because we are getting alot of BS and misrepresentations of tribal culture...... what is the right way??? so others can read...and others can tell when it is a BS pow-wow....
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i can see the new "tradition" forming...babies will be being dropped on drums all over america by next season.....
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LMAO hobbs.....step away from the drum and put away the featherdusters... TFF....what are some of the ways other tribes stop the drum? because we are getting alot of BS and misrepresentations of tribal culture...... what is the right way??? so others can read...and others can tell when it is a BS pow-wow....
I agree. If what I was taught and saw with my own eyes is incorrect, Then what is the correct way to stop a drum at a powwow?
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i can see the new "tradition" forming...babies will be being dropped on drums all over america by next season.....
Let's hope they all have clean diapers or there are going to be some p.o. singers.
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Ok well its time for me to add my two cents here, I have never seen a baby put on a drum and it be honest since I am from Indiana I am surprized to not have seen something like that. But as for putting a feather on the drum, I have seen the good and bad of "Feathering" a drum.

About ten years or so, A guy who was going around Indiana causig trouble did not like what the head southern singer did, so this man and another person put a small eagle feather on the drum and killed the powwow. The reason the people were mad, is during the round dance the head woman was going counter clock wise and the head singer was old school in Oklahoma powwow ways and did not like what she was doing, so after singing a couple songs he stopped singing round dance songs. So thease others featherd the drum. Caused quite the stir up of crap in Indiana for a while. Powwowbum49 was there he might be able to chime in.

Then I was at a powwow were after a dance session we used a feather, to pull some good fellings and medicine of the drum and pray over a man who was sick with cancer.

Also I have been sitting at a drum were we have been singing a awsome song, and we were "fanned" up, the guy touched the drum with his eagle fan and blew a whistle. That was neat. So I have seen the good and bad, of the Feather thing. I have been told if a drum is featherd, it is done because someone passed away that is involed with the dance or family. Not sure.........................
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Ok well its time for me to add my two cents here, I have never seen a baby put on a drum and it be honest since I am from Indiana I am surprized to not have seen something like that. But as for putting a feather on the drum, I have seen the good and bad of "Feathering" a drum.

About ten years or so, A guy who was going around Indiana causig trouble did not like what the head southern singer did, so this man and another person put a small eagle feather on the drum and killed the powwow. The reason the people were mad, is during the round dance the head woman was going counter clock wise and the head singer was old school in Oklahoma powwow ways and did not like what she was doing, so after singing a couple songs he stopped singing round dance songs. So thease others featherd the drum. Caused quite the stir up of crap in Indiana for a while. Powwowbum49 was there he might be able to chime in.

Then I was at a powwow were after a dance session we used a feather, to pull some good fellings and medicine of the drum and pray over a man who was sick with cancer.

Also I have been sitting at a drum were we have been singing a awsome song, and we were "fanned" up, the guy touched the drum with his eagle fan and blew a whistle. That was neat. So I have seen the good and bad, of the Feather thing. I have been told if a drum is featherd, it is done because someone passed away that is involed with the dance or family. Not sure.........................
Thanks for letting these people know that you have seen this done. My brother is on his way back to ND so when he gets back online our IP addresses will be different if anyone has checked.

We did some checking and some calling around and found that this is not really a tradition. So let me say that I'm not sure what this feathering to shut a drum down is really called. I guess it depends on the tribe. In the old days according to an Ojib elder I was in contact with told me that the Ojib used a lance or spear in the old days to stop a drum usually causing a war or at least a few deaths. Yes it did silence the drum.That is obivious because of the spear through the drum head. I was also told that at a powwow since we do not carry such wepons anymore it is done with a feather instead. I guess it's more humain. Each tribe that accepts this practice uses a feather of a bird that is accepted as a bad omen to that tribe. For example If an Ojib drum was to be silenced, they would use an owl feather. I guess you need to do some research depending on the tribe.

Travelingmocs is correct in what he is saying. Yes you can place a feather on a drum to obtain good medicine from the drum to pray or to ask for stregnth to help someone in need. Or fan up a drum with a feather because of the feelings you have inside you while dancing in the circle.

So now we have fanning up a drum, placing a feather on a drum for good things and what I was taught called feathering a drum. People here are either confused or I am incorrect in what this practice is really called.

Both my brother nor I have never stopped a drum from sounding by any means. There are some drums out there that I would like to stop however I never have. I have also NEVER been to a powwow in Indiana that I can recall.

I hope this helps clear things up. I was not trying to cause any trouble here.
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Geez.....................

I'm Ojibwe. I just can't recall anything of this nature talked about or happening. In the old days? How old?
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Geez.....................

I'm Ojibwe. I just can't recall anything of this nature talked about or happening. In the old days? How old?
From what I was told it was done long before the whites came to this land. There is also the possibility that the translation of the stories passed from generation to generation was somewhat changed. I am now beginning to wonder if I was actually taught fact or fiction in this matter.
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From what I was told it was done long before the whites came to this land. There is also the possibility that the translation of the stories passed from generation to generation was somewhat changed. I am now beginning to wonder if I was actually taught fact or fiction in this matter.

Hummm........
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From what I was told it was done long before the whites came to this land. There is also the possibility that the translation of the stories passed from generation to generation was somewhat changed. I am now beginning to wonder if I was actually taught fact or fiction in this matter.
Fact or fiction??? Think, think, think

It doesn't make sense to me that this would have been done the way you described - before the whiteman came.

Ask yourself - What enemy would be around to get close enough to put a spear through a drum while in use? Why would they want to do that?

The drum would only be there because of a celebration or feast. Who would put on a feast while the enemy is close by. Everyone in attendance would be supportive of what's going on.

C'mon, man! Think things out. You can't always assume that what you hear from your shaman is right. geez
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I was taught by Harry Buffalo Head (Ponca) and Billy Evans Horse(Kiowa) and other lead singers that putting an Eagle feather on a drum while the song is being sung will stop a drum and a dance. It was or is not? considered bad manners. After the song is sung...it is ok. Saw a Cree Head singer get real upset when someone kept placing his wing fan on the drum durring the set. Being polite, after the song was over, he called the dancer over and told him never to do that again.

As for the baby on the drum, I have seen this and was shocked. It happened at the Cherokees of Ga. dance in St. George, Ga. and has happened a couple of times. The head person for the tribe says it is customary for them to do this to honor the baby. No where else I have seen it done.

Sorry to say that dances in the Southeast are getting very strange with all the "new traditions" being done.
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I was taught by Harry Buffalo Head (Ponca) and Billy Evans Horse(Kiowa) and other lead singers that putting an Eagle feather on a drum while the song is being sung will stop a drum and a dance. It was or is not? considered bad manners. After the song is sung...it is ok. Saw a Cree Head singer get real upset when someone kept placing his wing fan on the drum durring the set. Being polite, after the song was over, he called the dancer over and told him never to do that again.

As for the baby on the drum, I have seen this and was shocked. It happened at the Cherokees of Ga. dance in St. George, Ga. and has happened a couple of times. The head person for the tribe says it is customary for them to do this to honor the baby. No where else I have seen it done.

Sorry to say that dances in the Southeast are getting very strange with all the "new traditions" being done.

Interesting
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This is fact. I was there and seen it with my own eyes. Whitebear, Sask.

I won't go into details because of all the hobbyists will take it and change it to suit their own way of thinking. I also won't name, names. Contact me if you want. I won't answer just anybody, but I will respond to those who I know will not try to take it further.

After many, many times through on a song, a respected gentleman (RIP) respectfully touched the drum and it stopped. He got up and spoke on the reason. It was good.

Please, don't everybody go pm'ing me. Again, I won't respond to everybody.
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Ok well its time for me to add my two cents here,....I have seen the good and bad of "Feathering" a drum.

About ten years or so, A guy who was going around Indiana causig trouble did not like what the head southern singer did,......did not like what she was doing, so after singing a couple songs he stopped singing round dance songs. So thease others featherd the drum.........

traveling,

So now we are getting somewhere. A troublemaker "started" this 'feathering business?' In Indiana?


Hmmmmmm?


What tribe was this trouble maker?
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I was taught by Harry Buffalo Head (Ponca) and Billy Evans Horse(Kiowa) and other lead singers that putting an Eagle feather on a drum while the song is being sung will stop a drum and a dance. ..... strange with all the "new traditions" being done.

So this feathering tradition was taught by the Ponca (the late Harry Buffalo Head) and the Kiowa (the present Kiowa Tribal Chairman)?????



Hmmmmmmm??????????????????
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She's been a troublemaker on other NDN sites as well...a real "needy" person.
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