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Old 01-25-2006, 02:32 AM   #21
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I give all my singers an even split--the ladies too!
Niniwan2005...I think he's talking about number of singers, not the payout.


Or I might be wrong!
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I sit with two drums. one has about 8 drummers/singers and about 6 lady singers. My new drum only has 3 drummers and 4 ladies. We do fine with only 3 guys. Hope we can do it with two...we are loding one for a while to the Army. God bless him.

Two guys can be enough if you have a womens row...

Brackett,

A three-man drum may work in Alabama, but at a lot of powwows, they will pass you up if you don't have a minimum of 4 or 6 male singers.

Do powwows actually hire you to host, with only a 3-man 4-lady drum group?
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YES, make a contract. Our problem was getting drums that showed up, and not doing what was expected, and being disrespectful of other drums.
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Ok, I'm answering a couple of different threads. First, WhoMe, when me and Brackett are singing with our other drum sometimes we can only get 3 or 4 guys at the event because most of them are still in school! Now as far as our drum 4Winds, we are a very tight group and with only 3 guys and 4 ladies we do fine because we've been singing together for years and we know each others next move. Someone last night said sometimes it's not how many you have but how you bring it, and I totally agree! We have some good friends in Florida that sing northen and its just two brothers and they know how to bring it.
Joe's Dad, you we're right I was talking about the number of singers, both male and female.
Niwiwan2005, I totally agree with splitting the money evenly between each member that is there at the powwow. We do that and then set a certain amount back from each powwow to put in a drum account for future traveling expenses, repairs to our both or drum, new chairs, or whatever may come up that we need or someone else may need.
LSS, thanks for input on both the "full crew" discussion and also the question of getting permission to sing songs. In the past we've had a problem with guys on our other drum bringing new songs to the drum but not being completely honest about where they came from. Since me and Brackett have started a new drum we've been gifted a song book that had some of those same songs in it BUT, they are wrote down the original way it was sang instaed of the way we've been taught on our other drum. I'm somewhat of a politically correct person when it comes to using someone elses material and that comes from working for a lawyer. I don't like stepping on toes and I don't want to sing a song that turns out to be disrespectful to the original writer because of the way I'm singing it now. Thanks for everyones help! Oh, bye the way LSS you guys sounded great in Statesville last weekend, hopefully we can get together in Durham in February.
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Ok, I'm answering a couple of different threads. First, WhoMe, ... Now as far as our drum 4Winds, we are a very tight group and with only 3 guys and 4 ladies ...sometimes it's not how many you have but how you bring it, and I totally agree! We have some good friends in Florida that sing northen and its just two brothers and they know how to bring it.

Since me and Brackett have started a new drum we've been gifted a song book ...they are wrote down the original way it was sang instaed ...I don't want to sing a song that turns out to be disrespectful to the original writer.....

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I respectfully invite you to bring your drum group and song book and attend some powwows, west of the Mississippi.
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Ok, I'm answering a couple of different threads. First, WhoMe, when me and Brackett are singing with our other drum sometimes we can only get 3 or 4 guys at the event because most of them are still in school! Now as far as our drum 4Winds, we are a very tight group and with only 3 guys and 4 ladies we do fine because we've been singing together for years and we know each others next move. Someone last night said sometimes it's not how many you have but how you bring it, and I totally agree! We have some good friends in Florida that sing northen and its just two brothers and they know how to bring it.
Joe's Dad, you we're right I was talking about the number of singers, both male and female.
Niwiwan2005, I totally agree with splitting the money evenly between each member that is there at the powwow. We do that and then set a certain amount back from each powwow to put in a drum account for future traveling expenses, repairs to our both or drum, new chairs, or whatever may come up that we need or someone else may need.
LSS, thanks for input on both the "full crew" discussion and also the question of getting permission to sing songs. In the past we've had a problem with guys on our other drum bringing new songs to the drum but not being completely honest about where they came from. Since me and Brackett have started a new drum we've been gifted a song book that had some of those same songs in it BUT, they are wrote down the original way it was sang instaed of the way we've been taught on our other drum. I'm somewhat of a politically correct person when it comes to using someone elses material and that comes from working for a lawyer. I don't like stepping on toes and I don't want to sing a song that turns out to be disrespectful to the original writer because of the way I'm singing it now. Thanks for everyones help! Oh, bye the way LSS you guys sounded great in Statesville last weekend, hopefully we can get together in Durham in February.
like whome said... ive never seena crew of 3 setup at a contest powwow
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Oh, bye the way LSS you guys sounded great in Statesville last weekend, hopefully we can get together in Durham in February.
brwilson,

Thanks for the compliment...however, I really can not take credit for the center drum. That compliment should be directed to Homer Dearman (sp?). I think he did a great job at the drum assigning songs to guys he brought with him and allowed to help out. I'm very fortunate to have been allowed the opportunity to sing with him and company.

As far as Durham in February, I believe the guys are planning on attending and setting up. We'll play it by ear.
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small drum big sound

Someone last night said sometimes it's not how many you have but how you bring it

i agree with ben. firestar normally has 4 drummers and 3 to 4 ladies and we sound bigger than most of the big 10guy 10lady drums. i know the original question was about pay, but we are bunch of big guys, well except hunter, we don't ask for much, mainly food and a little gas money.
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danbear,

Uh yes and, uh no.

Granted drums have "off days." It happens.

My point is, the standards of excellence vary according to region. In the plains, there is a strong standard of excellence.

Yes, I agree - in Alabama - 4 guys "bringing it," will cut the mustard, when compared with other drums in the region.
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whome, two of my favorite drums are mgd & btc (both are awesome, large nubmer drums) but we've been known to be just as loud. now when bill & james step in with us then we're really loud.

"My point is, the standards of excellence vary according to region. In the plains, there is a strong standard of excellence." i agree with that whome.

drums like badwater(another great drum) have a larger number as us but we sound as good and are just as loud as they are.
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whome, two of my favorite drums are mgd & btc (both are awesome, large nubmer drums) but we've been known to be just as loud. now when bill & james step in with us then we're really loud.

"My point is, the standards of excellence vary according to region. In the plains, there is a strong standard of excellence." i agree with that whome.

drums like badwater(another great drum) have a larger number as us but we sound as good and are just as loud as they are.

danb,

Sorry I have never heard mgd, btc or l,m,n,o,p or badwater - sing.

Again,

I would like to invite all the top dawgs in your region to some of the plain's powwows.

Does loudness make a drum good?
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Sorry I have never heard mgd, btc or l,m,n,o,p or badwater - sing.

Again,

I would like to invite all the top dawgs in your region to some of the plain's powwows.

Does loudness make a drum good?

of course loudness does not make a drum good but if your good and loud its a plus, i'v eheard some just plain loud drums and loud isnt better unless you know your songs and sing them well. my point was that just becawz you have a small number of drummers does not make you lesser quality drum as a drum with larger numbers.
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shocked that you haven't heard of btc- bird town crossingm great northern group
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danbear,

I have heard of bird town crossing ... here on powwows.com. I have not heard them sing - live.

You say your krew of 4 is as loud as their full krew? Hmmmm?

Do you consider yourself "good AND loud?"

I like to help out the center drums. Two weeks ago, I sat at a drum that had 5 drums side-by-side, surrounded by 42 singers.

Bottom line:

Drum groups of 4 are not common at the powwows I go to ....

"no matter how good they say they are."
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whome, hey one of our songs is on the radio if you want to check it out but it was from 04 when we sang it. i totally understand about the different standards in the different regions. however my brother and myself live on the northern cheyenne indian rezervation in lame deer mt for about 6 years of our life. and there is a difference. but that is where my brother learned to sing and he taught me. but its on the radio if you want to listen. what are some powwows your way maybe we could check them out.
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nawwww i don't think we're that loud, lol.
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what are some powwows you frequent we'll try to make it out there sometime. and see what we got, i sometimes get bored at the gatherings i attend, don't get me wrong i love singing, but it'd be nice to go to a larger gathering, mtsu's the biggest i've been too.
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[QUOTE=WhoMe]danbear,

I have heard of bird town crossing ... here on powwows.com. I have not heard them sing - live.

You say your krew of 4 is as loud as their full krew? Hmmmm?

Do you consider yourself "good AND loud?"

I like to help out the center drums. Two weeks ago, I sat at a drum that had 5 drums side-by-side, surrounded by 42 singers.

Bottom line:

Drum groups of 4 are not common at the powwows I go to ....

"[B]no matter how good they say they are."[/[/B]QUOTE]


i never bragged about us just said cawz we have fewer singers didnt make us less of a drum
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btcs and danb,

I will be at Denver March and the Gathering of Nations.

Come check these two powwows and set up!

Sorry btcs, I would rather hear your group live. I may be coming to NC sometime this year. Hopefully we can meet?
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cool, i've always wanted to go to the denver march heard lots of good stuff, may have to do it
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