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Old 09-30-2004, 04:05 PM   #1
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I've been considering starting a small home based business catering to drum groups - particularily those that hit the pow wow trail hard. I would act as their Agent/Secretary and coordinate their host/invited appearances with the host pow wow committee, travel arrangements, be their contact person for scheduling host/invited appearances, get them set up as a business so that their gas receipts, lodging receipts, meals, car repairs on the road, etc. would be considered business expenses and therefore tax deductable, get them a website set up where they could sell CD's, maintain their calendar and guest book, etc. Pretty much administrative support for the drum - freeing them up to do what they enjoy doing and are good at - singing.

Let me know what you think - could this work? What other service could I add to this to make it attractive for groups to contract with me? What would you be willing to pay for a service like this?
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Old 10-01-2004, 04:44 PM   #2
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I've been considering starting a small home based business catering to drum groups - . . .Pretty much administrative support for the drum - freeing them up to do what they enjoy doing and are good at - singing.

Let me know what you think - could this work? What other service could I add to this to make it attractive for groups to contract with me? What would you be willing to pay for a service like this?
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rpotts,

Don't give up your day job just yet. *L

I realize in the spirit of entrepreneurialship you can visualize a profit in helping take the business load off well known drum groups. This is feasible in theory but maybe not realistic in application.

Most popular drum groups who are hitting the big powwows weekend-after-weekend have a formula of taking care of drum business. The last thing they would want is an "unknown middleman" handling their financial matters and taking a cut in their pay.

The leaders of popular drum groups or trusted friends and/or family usually handle all the business transactions on behalf of the drum. Your idea may work for drum groups working their way up. But the top drum groups prefer to work deals directly with powwow committees and sponsors.

Any comments from anyone?
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Old 10-01-2004, 05:32 PM   #3
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Thanks for your reply - That's what I need - Many opinions from a bunch of people. As a pow wow committee person, I've thought about this for a while because I always have a hell of a time getting hold of those ones that are supposed to be coordinating for those drums. Seems like once we get them confirmed we have trouble getting contracts negotiated, signed, names to reserve rooms under, travel dates, etc. And I totally understand they are busy people with packed schedules - that's why I thought about trying this - not only because as a committee person I would love to have one person that I could always get hold of to get questions answered allowing me to be a better host to our invited guests but I know living on the road isn't easy - been there done that pre-kids - I would have loved to have someone taking care of my piddly**** while I took care of business. You're right about the "unknown middleman" thing - and that was one of the obstacles I've thought about quite a bit - my skills are pretty well know locally but that's about it.

Thanks again - anyone else????
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Old 10-05-2004, 02:38 PM   #4
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Singers dont make much anyways...How much are you trying to get out of each gig?
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What about the groupies and chickenheads?

How ya gonna manage them?

I mean...if I see a hot chick there....you gonna cock block cause I gotta sing or you gonna let me do my thang?

See....money aside.....the singing and snaggin' are gonna suffer.

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Seriously though. Singers, GOOD ONES, don't make much. IT's a way of life....or a hobby for some. That said.....you spend more than you make, weekend after weekend.

The absolute first thing I was told when I started singing and showing an interest by some older Oklahoma singers from around Hominy and Pawhuska was........"Hoss....you'll never get rich singing, so don't try, and don't worry about how much you get paid. If yer worried about that, well....you should go turn your interests onto something else, because that's not a good reason to take up singing."

I've kept to that ever since. I've never gotten rich, or anywhere near well off, but, I've enjoyed myself time and again.....that's the only place I've gotten "rich"...in friends who are singers, and in personal enjoyment from singing.

It's a novel idea though, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that having an agent is gonna help any. I mean, singers often barely consult one another as it is....it's like all of a sudden, someone decides we're gonna sing there or over here....and you all go, or a small core goes....and that's it.

Having an agent could seriously restrict things.

....plus. Who wants a cut in pay? I mean, granted...yer not trying to get rich, or trying to break even, but, if yer in the green at a big powwow for say.....$10K when you win a BIG drum contest.......well...break that up between say 5 or 8 guys....that's pretty nice considering you've probably spent an upwards of $500 or so just getting to that big powwow.

How much of that, say....$1K are you looking at taking from each singer?

All you do is "agent" for em....beat the bushes...etc......the guys do the work...the actual singing, carry the drum, learn the songs, stay in singing form....practice long hours, drive long hours......I hardly see how an agent could be beneficial to singing groups.
All you do is make some phone calls, manage a website.....it's helpful, I'm sure...but, truthfully. Is it really worth it? Most singers today are net savy or know someone who is to do something like set up a website. Most groups get gigs by just showing up at a powwow, folks who want them to be at their dance to host are there, they negotiate with whomever....head singers, or the group.....work out a price...rooms....and BAM!!!!!!! It comes together.

It's complicated I guess....or just simple as hell too if you want it to be.


anyhoo.......my two centavos on the subject.

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...oh yeah!

Tax write offs.

It's nice and all...but, are you fully aware of what consitutes a legitimate tax write off?

You have to meet certain criteria prior to even making your purchases and such, eligible for a tax write off. It's complicated and in the end, you end up with a head ache, alot of frustrations over trying to get reciepts.

Plus, when you do place this into the category of tax write off...that makes all that money, or that little bit of money....a form of taxable income!! Uncle Sam will want his cut before anyone else gets paid. If you delay it by not paying until tax time, well...you stand to end up paying ALOT more than you had intially expected.

The entertainment business is also HEAVILY regulated, with all sorts of tax laws and income brackets that one has to meet in order to qualify for tax write offs.

What if you come up short on gigs? Have to cancel for "Acts of God" or familial reasons? How do you intend to make up for that loss of income and taxable income? Uncle Sam don't care if you can't make the shortfall this time around because Aunt Tilley bought the farm when she plowed into the milk cow over the weekend.......no, he expects his DUE!!!

You're opening the singers up to ALOT of taxation and heartache. Things, in my opnion.....flow easily as it is, or as easily as can be, committee's work hard to make it easy for groups to get paid today. Alot of the heartache of having to deal with tax forms are cut out by paying cash. going this route, it might be deposited into an account, accessible by you, or by the group....but, in the end...it's the singers that will have to deal with check cashing again, or with arguements that so and so got more...or that so and so should get more.

It's a messy business when you deal with money.

Alot of groups have been busted up because of it, or for other reasons. But, typically, it's arguements over money more than anything else.

I'd be intrested in seeing how it'd run though....just out of curiosity.

I'm not trying to discourage you, and pardon me if I sound like I am. But, I think one should be realistic about it. Not every group gets hosting gigs on a yearly basis. Certain powwows like certain groups, it's all based on who's hot this year and who's not. In that regard, I think it very much emulates the Top 10 lists of the music industry...but, it functions very much differently!!
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Most singers today are net savy or know someone who is to do something like set up a website. Most groups get gigs by just showing up at a powwow, folks who want them to be at their dance to host are there, they negotiate with whomever....head singers, or the group.....work out a price...rooms....and BAM!!!!!!! It comes together.

You're opening the singers up to ALOT of taxation and heartache.

It's a messy business when you deal with money. Alot of groups have been busted up because of it, or for other reasons. But, typically, it's arguements over money more than anything else.

Certain powwows like certain groups, it's all based on who's hot this year and who's not. In that regard, I think it very much emulates the Top 10 lists of the music industry...but, it functions very much differently!!
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