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Old 03-19-2004, 07:26 PM   #1
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I wanna re-do my breastplatez, and I want to use something other than imitation sinew. Something that wont unknot and stretch. Any suggestionz??
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not sinew

How about hemp rope un ravelled abit?
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how bout a 2mm braided waxed cord?
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Yep Blackbear - that's what I use. And you can heat the knots and ends and the wax 'seals' em better.
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I'm trying to make a breastplate, however I'm not too sure about how to do it. Does anyone have suggestions? Such as how spaced out do I put holes in the spacers? (I'm trying to make it from scratch.) I have all the materials but still confused on how to string. Do you have to use a spacer for every 4" bone?

Cuz I wanted my breastplate to go like this:
1. 3 crow, 1-4hole spacer, 3 crow, 1-1.5" bone, 3 crow, 1-4 hole spacer, 3 crow, 1-1.5" bone, 3 crow

2. spacer, 1 Crow, 1-4" bone, 3 Crow beads, 1-1.5" bone, 3 Crow, 1-4" bone, 1 crow, spacer and repeat 1x

3. Repeat step one with a rosette bead at the end.
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By the way this is for a women's northern breastplate.

Also, could you please post some pics of your breastplates that way I can get an idea of what to do? Cuz I looked in the Gallery and there was only 1 pic of a Northern breastplate.

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i use dental floss and it works really well and always carry it in my repair kit with my outfit.
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By the way this is for a women's northern breastplate.

Also, could you please post some pics of your breastplates that way I can get an idea of what to do? Cuz I looked in the Gallery and there was only 1 pic of a Northern breastplate.

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Here's a front and back view of my breastplate; it's a bit different because I used the amber bone, I'm very happy with the way it looks, but it's so heavy.
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Here's a front and back view of my breastplate; it's a bit different because I used the amber bone, I'm very happy with the way it looks, but it's so heavy.
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Don't know if it's still there but nocbay.com had directions in their learning circle a while back. If it's not there give them a call and they will send you a copy of it. I've gotten directions on a couple things from them when I ordered other stuff and the directions where always free.
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Nocbay also sells some small round waxed cord made of the same stuff as the flat artificial sinew. Like someone else said, you can melt the knots a little and it won't come undone. Works for sewing heavy leather too.
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what I've used

for a breastplate (women's northern style) I used that thread that you use for stitching upsaddle. very very strong.
but for this type of string, it only goes through the crow beads and of course the hollow bones.

for my breastplate that has the AB glass 8mm beads, I just use ole artifical sinew.
I just restring it every 6 months or so. That way I don't loose my beads. Cause I can't find those same colors anywhere.

I used those old type of solid brass beads that are smooth on the inside. those hollow type cut the strings up too much. when I find the solid type I buy those up quick. I found that those don't cut into the sinew too quickly.
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I'm trying to make a breastplate, however I'm not too sure about how to do it. Does anyone have suggestions? Such as how spaced out do I put holes in the spacers? (I'm trying to make it from scratch.) I have all the materials but still confused on how to string. Do you have to use a spacer for every 4" bone?

Cuz I wanted my breastplate to go like this:
1. 3 crow, 1-4hole spacer, 3 crow, 1-1.5" bone, 3 crow, 1-4 hole spacer, 3 crow, 1-1.5" bone, 3 crow

2. spacer, 1 Crow, 1-4" bone, 3 Crow beads, 1-1.5" bone, 3 Crow, 1-4" bone, 1 crow, spacer and repeat 1x

3. Repeat step one with a rosette bead at the end.
I try to make my sections at 4 inches. looks like your #2 row is quite long maybe 6 inches? but if this works for you that's cool. anyhoo, just make your holes same distance as the crow beads lined up next to each other.
I laid my crow beads down up top of my spacer for 27 in a row. then used my awl to mark (in each hole) where I would put the hole on the spacer. (I was very careful not to knock down the crow beads off my spacer.) oh yeah, I cut my spacer to 1/4 inch wide. and about 10 inches long. I punched the holes in the spacer with a leather hole puncher on the smallest hole notch, then trimmed off the edges. Then I used that as a "template" for the rest of the spacers for the other sections. I have about six sections of 4inch rows. three crow beads in a pattern and one with spacer, one crow, one 4" bone, one crow then the spacer. Gah! I hope I did not confuse you too much.
I will try to post a pic of my breastplates, maybe one of my daughters.
for the bottom to tie off the strings I used brass hawk bells. I just love them! my daughter used Am. dimes. and my older sister used some kinda coin from some Asian country that has a huge hole in the middle of it. my other sister used Canadian dimes for her bottom.
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I try to make my sections at 4 inches. looks like your #2 row is quite long maybe 6 inches? but if this works for you that's cool. anyhoo, just make your holes same distance as the crow beads lined up next to each other.
I laid my crow beads down up top of my spacer for 27 in a row. then used my awl to mark (in each hole) where I would put the hole on the spacer. (I was very careful not to knock down the crow beads off my spacer.) oh yeah, I cut my spacer to 1/4 inch wide. and about 10 inches long. I punched the holes in the spacer with a leather hole puncher on the smallest hole notch, then trimmed off the edges. Then I used that as a "template" for the rest of the spacers for the other sections. I have about six sections of 4inch rows. three crow beads in a pattern and one with spacer, one crow, one 4" bone, one crow then the spacer. Gah! I hope I did not confuse you too much.
I will try to post a pic of my breastplates, maybe one of my daughters.
for the bottom to tie off the strings I used brass hawk bells. I just love them! my daughter used Am. dimes. and my older sister used some kinda coin from some Asian country that has a huge hole in the middle of it. my other sister used Canadian dimes for her bottom.
I am also trying to make a (northern) breastplate and would love to see your pics. What bead store(s) have the best prices for 4" bone? I am not interested in the plastic stuff either.
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Heavy? :) Yours looks light compared to most...looks good though. My wife's is a northern style of real hairpipe that goes to the floor. Doubled up imitation sinew works well and you can burn it similar to waxed cord.
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Thanks; it is heavy, the bone is very real, the brass beads on it are solid, the green and gold beads are glass, and if you noticed I made it two sided. I used sinew too; I went back through each section probably 4 times, to make sure it'll take the weight. I've had no problems yet and I've been using it for a year now. I agree with singerdad, that the imitation sinew can be melted as with other materials.
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Cheapest place I've found so far to order hairpipe from is Moscow Hide and Fur. They have an online catalog, but you have to order by phone. I just ordered so the other day, but I haven't gotten them yet. When I get them I'll let you know how the quality is.

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No, the best place to get "natural bone hairpipe" is Fire Mountain Gems. I spent about $100 last year on supplies, and turned it into my large breastplate, and 3 smaller ones, and several bracelets that I sold. They really have a good deal on "natural bone hairpipe," and they sell many different kinds. They have an online catalog too.

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amber bone? Are you talking about a dyed bone or yellow horn? The horn beads are way lighter than regular bone which is nice, but you have to be careful not to get them wet cause they can break down and rot away and they also split easy. But yeah, they sure look nice!

The best way of being able to tell where to punch your holes on a spacer or how big to make one is to lay your rows of beads together and measure. Take the fattest beads you are using and lay them next to each other as you want them to be layed in the breastplate and then measure the distance between the centers of the bead holes. You can also buy pre-cut, pre-notched spacers from crazy crow but not that hard to make them yourself.
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Thumbs up Northern Breastplate Style

It used to be that there was only one way to make a women's northern style breastplate, but now there are so many different variations and colors that the way we look and make breastplates has changed over the years.

I like how Jody Gillette and Liberty Cree have their fully beaded breastplates, but it seems like they would be kind of heavy to wear, but they sure do enhance the overall effect and appearance of their outfits. The other style that I like is the loomed breastplates, you don't seem too much of them outside the northwest, but I have seen a few dancers starting to wear them around the circuit. They are much lighter and the color and patterns that you can get with them is pretty farout.

No matter what you use, bone hairpipe, beaded or loomed, it sure does make those tops standout and completes the outfits quite nicely.
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