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Old 02-10-2002, 11:35 PM   #1
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Question Featherwork.........question on "t" flats work.

I am getting ready to start on a fan project and need a little info on working with "t" flat feathers.I want to practice before actually starting on my project.
1.)When cutting the t-flats is there an "appropriate" size or is that personel preferance/dependent on main feather size?
2.)After centering the flat on the feather shaft, do you "roll" the rest of the flat around the backside?Or trim it?
3.)When you do multiple rows, is this what is referred to as "shinglework"?
4.)And last when doing rows,to make it look "neat" do you trim the fletching on the main shaft before doing the rows?
Well if any of you have a moment ,any info. sure would be appreciated.
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You are better off using florets instead of turkey flats. They are much easier to work with, more thin and supple and can easily be 'rolled' around the object you are decorating and are particularly nice for fans, not to mention they are generally broader. There are some mail order places carrying these now.

What I usually do is use a little glue and roll them around. For a neater appearance, I've seen the feathers trimmed but I have also seen them untrimmed, both look equally good in my opinion. I'm no expert at this but I have practiced at it, made some mistakes and had some success so take this advice for what it's worth.

Folks that do it alot seem to use only the very tip of the feather and layer as many feathers of the same color as necessary to get complete coverage.

Hope this helps in some way. Check out this website for Patrick Scott, Navajo fanmaker. He has some good close-ups of this kind of work.

http://www.sidecanyon.com/patrickscott.htm


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Thank you so much for posting this question.
I have some feathers and have wanted to do something with them for awhile but didn't know what questions to ask. I had never heard these terms before.

straightdancerinaz: Thank you so much for posting the photos. That really does help.

I want to learn more about this. What would you all suggest? I need to redo a fan.
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I've been laboring over the idea of putting together a "coffe table" book on this very subject.....basically, a book filled from cover to cover with fans....gorgeous, gorgeous fans! Info on origins, materials used, makers if known, dimensions and such. Nice close up pics.....I certainly live in the right area to do this too.


Please reserve me the first advanced copy!!! :)
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Thanks for the tips,I happened to of ordered a couple ounces of florettes a few weeks ago from CCTP in several different colors and actually tried some on my last fan.I asked about the " t"flats because somebody had recommended them.
Now that you guys mention the florettes, I will work with them and see how they do for me.Thanks,and keep up the ideas.
P.S.-I too would surely like a fine book for my coffee-table.
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Medic and Straightdancer.

This has nothing to do with fans, but seeing your names is coincidental.

Medic, yesterday I stumbled onto the articles you sent me a year or so ago, I read them imediately. I don't know if I ever got settled with you on it or not? I spent way too long yesterday trying to send you a private email. SO here it is in public.

Straightdancer, I believe I'd spoken to either you or Medic about some whitetail deer tails for roaches. It may have been someone else. I've got all my hides scraped and brained and finally got the tails all off. If you're still interested I've still got them.

Thanks guys

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Hmmmmmmmm,deer tails.............how about sending me just the roach!
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Ok, so how is this done?
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is that the guy who makes the fans with the handle that unscrews for easier storage? If so I have seen a few of his first hand and was thinking about sending my stuff to have him do for me. I don't know how to do the florette stuff, but the stripes are thread..either embroidery floss or waxed thread that is wound very carefully around the dowels.
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This didn't look like thread wrapping, it has shape to it??
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Hmmm...you are right!! let me look at that again..I am good at figureing out how things are done ..LOL...I will be back!!
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Hmmmmmmmmmm.......aren't those small beads??
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From what my" rookie" crafter vision can tell.some of it does look like threadwork.On my first fan I did threadwork with rayon thread............it is pretty glossy with good vibrant colors.BB is right though,it was very time consuming with trying to match each section in length.Then doing it on several feathers,I'll try to post a picture.
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OK,On a better computer screen,I think WM is right.With all those differently shaped designs it is hard to tell.
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Yes, it is threadwrapping. Lots of this type of work uses what I call 3-D thread wrapping. The threads are wrapped as a base and then 'stacked' on top of one another to form complex shapes or simply to give the thread wrapping a little extra dimension. It is a beautiful technique but also requires the right materials and the right techniques for wrapping the stuff. I'll try to scan some that I have so that you guys can get a nice close up of it. It is truely beautiful.
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I took a beginning fly tying class last fall and we learned a little about making shapes like that with thread, for imitating bug bodies. You definitely need the right tools to do it- a vise, a bobbin holder and whatever they call the whip finishing thingy that allows you to tie off without knots. Very cool stuff although I have yet to actually try this technique on feathers. Anyway, thats what it looks like to me. Great photos, you guys!
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Being a fly-tyer myself, I had a few tools around that I used to do this stuff with. The bobbin was the most important because it allows good thread tension. I tried the whip-finisher but when you stack the thread, it makes it almost impossible to use it, so I scrapped that idea. The type of thread you use is also important. Too thin and you can't stack the thread, to thick and it doesn't have that nice look to it. Anyway, I'll bring some in tomorrow and scan them to put up here. StraightDancer sent me some thread that they use down there. It is 'guide wrapping' thread used for lashing eyes on fishing rods. It is thick but not too thick and just a pretty thread in general. It comes in both nylon and silk forms too....

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As promised

Hey Folks,

Just thought I would post this picture here for a little bit better close up of this featherwork and threadwork. These are two sets of feathers that I received as gifts from the best friend a guy could ask for. They are both done with the style of threadwork and featherwork that we are talking about here, so check them out.

I'll try to give some thought to how best to explain how to do this threadwork but for now I'll just post this pic to whet your whistle a little bit.

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