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Old 03-31-2005, 11:09 PM   #1
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Heddle Loom

I did a search for this topic and I see that it had been discussed, but I couldnt post on it so I thought I would ask the question here. How do you make a Heddle Loom? Dose anyone know?

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I've seen some amazing Hochunk ones, that were hand carved in very thin oak and cherry.

If you don't know what one looks like, they are a thin board. There are thin slots alternating with small holes. The spacing needs to very nearly match the bead width. The ones used on European style tapestry looms are very similar.

I've made a tapestry sized one (with a fairly coarse dent) from thin wood splints glued into a frame. It is fairly major undertaking to make one. You need a scroll saw and a small hand drill. And tons of sandpaper. You can buy plastic heddles. I also think you could make your shedding mechanism just like the Dinee do, with a polished shed stick/beater and a lifting stick and yarn. That technique will give you a smaller shed but does seem to be used on some European style bead looms.

You really might consider buying a bead loom. I'm a big fan of make it yourself, but there does come a point... You can easily make your shed stick/beater. You can find instructions for those on lots of weaving sites.

Anyway, check out Mirrix and some other bead loom makers. I have a friend who has a Mirrix and she likes it. I've never seen it in operation, but my friend's work is nice.

Also get David Dean's book. He covers using heddle looms.
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Old 04-01-2005, 03:46 PM   #3
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Old 04-02-2005, 11:01 AM   #4
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Thank you both for your help. I will do some more searches on this subject. I really do appreciate your help.
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Here is a heddle I purchased several years ago from Ken Larson in Wisconsin. The blue beads are size 11/o so you can see about how large the spaces are. Hope this helps.
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That's a lovely one!
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Beadman that is wonderful, in all the searching I have done I havent seen one like that. I really like it. Thank you.
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OK .... Just to update ....... I have decided to put this project on the back burner for now.... just until I can research this loom more....Thanks for all the help

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WOW! I had to look long and hard to find any reference to "Heddle Looms". This thread appears to be really old. Maybe we can revive it and add some life!

AngelaK, I see you put your project on "The Back Burner". Let's pull it out!!!

I learned "Heddle Loom Beadwork" from a really fine gentleman from Chicago named John Lotter. He taught Heddle Looms and sold them from the mid 1950s until his death in 1994.

If you are interested in Loomed Beadwork you should become familiar with this technique. It is fast, easy and very strong. The only problem is getting Heddles! I hope to fix that problem. I make and sell heddles and looms and will soon have a website ( New Page 1 ) where you can see my products. I will also be posting videos on how to do Heddle Loom Beadwork.

I have heard the argument that this style beadwork was only done by the "Greatlakes Tribes" and that is basically true. I think that is because other Tribes didn't have the tools to do it. The one thing that I notice about Native Americans is that they are resourceful and make use of what is available to them. In todays world with the WWW and overnight shipping. There would be much more Heddle Loom Beadwork if the tools were available!

A basic description of Heddle Loomed Beadwork is: Double warp, Single Weft. What that means is there are two threads running lengthwise between each bead and one thread though the beads crosswise. This is important because with this type work it means you put the needle through the beads ONCE! Differing from "Tension Loom" where you have to go through the beads twice. The beads are actually "woven" into place by the action of the heddle. Making the work strong and stable.
I know this is an incomplete description, but if there is interest I will be more than willing to elaborate.

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Heddle

All you need is the heddle. I have used just a plain old homemade loom. Just make sure the uprights are high enough to allow the heddle to move up and down,

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I did a search for this topic and I see that it had been discussed, but I couldnt post on it so I thought I would ask the question here. How do you make a Heddle Loom? Dose anyone know?

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beader36 is exactly right looms don't have to be fancy to be usable! However there are some people that might want to do loom work with a heddle and have absolutely no wood working skills. I know some who couldn't drive a nail straight if their life depended on it! The looms that I make are fully adjustable so you can make long or short pieces without wasting a lot of thread. Also a loom to be used with a heddle should be able to adjust the tension on the warp threads as you work. The weaving action on the heddle causes the warp threads to constantly get tighter and tighter so you have to be able to loosen the warp as you proceed.

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Wow, I have no idea how you'd use a heddle loom to bead.
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Wow, I have no idea how you'd use a heddle loom to bead.



I never dreamed of doing heddle loom with beadwork!

Thank you Maschapi for reviving this thread!

Done minor loomwork with yarn before but hadnt really thought of using beads, now that yah mention it it does make alot of sense.

Let keep this thread up :D
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I never dreamed of doing heddle loom with beadwork!

Thank you Maschapi for reviving this thread!

Done minor loomwork with yarn before but hadnt really thought of using beads, now that yah mention it it does make alot of sense.

Let keep this thread up :D
Thankyou Asmajol!

I am excited that there seems to be some interest!

If you have done beadwork on a loom but never with a heddle... you have a real treat in store! I tried to learn to do tension loom style (single warp double weft) and gave up because I had trouble getting the needle and thread though the beads a second time!

Also with Heddle Loom beadwork since it is the warp threads that hold the beads in place, and you only thread the beads once that means you can put hundreds of beads on your thread at a time! So then when you start weaving them in place the work goes extremely fast.

If anyone is interested in the details of how in works I recommend two reference works: "Beading in the Native American Tradition" by David Dean (absolutely the best bead working book ever published) and "Whispering Wind Craft Annual #7" (first article is a reprint written by John Lotter)
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Heddle Looms

I have beaded with traditional warp looms for 25 years. However, I used a heddle loom and still have the device to adapt to using it again. Now that I am in my late 40s I'm having problems with the traditional loom, and have been forced to rip out a lot of my work due to dropped stitches I could not see.

I would like to know several things.

Yes, you can use the heddle on a traditional loom. But is there a seperate loom that divides the threads, similar to the way you do fingerweaving, so that it will not be so vexing? I became frustrated in using the heddle as the work space was much more narrow between the lines than what I was accustomed to.

Also, do we need to use a different weight of thread in the heddle? I know with the tension I have tended to use one level higher than the other lines in order to try to avoid breakage. Will this not mar the appearance if both lines are heavier??

Finally, how do you bury all the edges for the heddle? Weaving the lines from a tension loom into 12/0 is bad enough - twice as many I hesitate to think about.

Wa-do, for all the assistance.
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I have beaded with traditional warp looms for 25 years. However, I used a heddle loom and still have the device to adapt to using it again. Now that I am in my late 40s I'm having problems with the traditional loom, and have been forced to rip out a lot of my work due to dropped stitches I could not see.

I would like to know several things.

Yes, you can use the heddle on a traditional loom. But is there a seperate loom that divides the threads, similar to the way you do fingerweaving, so that it will not be so vexing? I became frustrated in using the heddle as the work space was much more narrow between the lines than what I was accustomed to.

Also, do we need to use a different weight of thread in the heddle? I know with the tension I have tended to use one level higher than the other lines in order to try to avoid breakage. Will this not mar the appearance if both lines are heavier??

Finally, how do you bury all the edges for the heddle? Weaving the lines from a tension loom into 12/0 is bad enough - twice as many I hesitate to think about.

Wa-do, for all the assistance.

I am not sure what you mean in this statement, "... But is there a seperate loom that divides the threads"

Hopefully this will help.

The looms that I build use a threaded rod as the "Warp Beam" this keeps the threads in place so they don't get tangled.

Usually a tension loom just has a place to tie of the warp threads at each end. A loom used with Heddle needs to be able to have the tension on the warp threads adjusted as the work progresses. The weaving action of the heddle causes the warp threads to tighten.

The thread I use on all of my work is #46 polyester. I use it for both warp and weft threads. You should NOT use Nymo for warp threads on a heddle loom because the weaving action causes the nymo to stretch and when you remove it from the loom it will cause the beads to bunch up and will not lay flat as we desire.

As far as "burying" the ends I begin and end my work with a small section of woven thread with no beads to form a selvage edge. That then is folded under the work before it is sewn to final work. I have on occasion though taken the warp threads and woven them individually back into the work. That is tedious but looks very nice.

A GREAT source of information on this type of bead work and others is David Dean's book "Beading in the Native American Tradition" available from "Whispering Wind" or "Amazon". I think it is perhaps the BEST book ever written on Bead Work.

Hope this helps. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
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