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Old 02-21-2006, 03:31 PM   #1
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Question Indian Arts and Crafts Association????

So I would like the input and opinions of others. I was browsing the internet highway this morning, as usual and ran across this website: www.nativeartstrading.com. They are based in Scotland, say they are a member of the Indian Arts and Crafts Association, but in small print state that: "Sharon is part Cherokee, but not enrolled with any Cherokee Nation." So, that caught my attention and the IACA sounds very close to the government native arts and crafts program. After visiting their website, and reading the requirements of membership, it looks pretty wide open to anyone that wanted to be able to fit into anyone of their categories. It looks as if they have real native artists there, but I would like the opinions of this association from other members here. The website is: www.iaca.com. My main question being; is this an association that has native craft people's best interests at heart, or is it just a "money mill?"
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Ok, no response yet. Come on you expert indians, I'm very curious about this issue.
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Ok I just saw this post.. sorry.

this organization sounds familiar with no red flags coming up in my memory of the name... it's based in albaquerque (spelling??? LOL) New Mexico so I'm not sure. It would seem that area would be a hard one to have any fraudulent groups starting up with such a large native population around it, however it would seem that it might be a coalition started BY the natives there...
The web site says this:
The Indian Arts and Crafts Association (IACA) is a nonprofit organization established in 1974 to support the ethical promotion and protection of authentic Native American art and culture. IACA works to stop fraud and abuse within the market for Indian art through education, publicity, authentication and use of our logo to indicate certified ethical businesses.

Members include Native American artists, wholesale and retail dealers, museums, collectors and others who support the goals of the organization. IACA supports and works for the protection of indigenous art worldwide."


So basically they are saying they protect against fraud of native american crafts in USA but worldwide. Which I understand there is a big market for our crafts in Europe.

The part about themselves and the online store is so far 3 pages that I see... and on page two it says this about them.
All of the art pieces, except for the items made by Sharon are handmade by Native American Indians in the States. It is important to Sharon and Barry that they sell authentic Native American items and that the Indians get credit for their handmade art. That is why they make a point to explain the difference between Native American made and non-Native American made, as there are inferior copies being passed off as authentic - when they are not.

They are members of (IACA) Indian Arts & Crafts Association for this reason - who strive to promote, protect and preserve the handmade creations of the Native American Indian


So what they are saying here is that they buy alot of what they sell from natives themselves but lets you know that she's not a registered native and which pieces are hers...

Hmmmm.... I looked through IACA's members and they have ALOT of people who are not even from state recognized tribes and everything says spiritual this, spiritual that... It would be nice to hear from someone who knows these people or anything personally about the group.
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Ok I just saw this post.. sorry.

this organization sounds familiar with no red flags coming up in my memory of the name... it's based in albaquerque (spelling??? LOL) New Mexico so I'm not sure. It would seem that area would be a hard one to have any fraudulent groups starting up with such a large native population around it, however it would seem that it might be a coalition started BY the natives there...
The web site says this:
The Indian Arts and Crafts Association (IACA) is a nonprofit organization established in 1974 to support the ethical promotion and protection of authentic Native American art and culture. IACA works to stop fraud and abuse within the market for Indian art through education, publicity, authentication and use of our logo to indicate certified ethical businesses.

Members include Native American artists, wholesale and retail dealers, museums, collectors and others who support the goals of the organization. IACA supports and works for the protection of indigenous art worldwide."


So basically they are saying they protect against fraud of native american crafts in USA but worldwide. Which I understand there is a big market for our crafts in Europe.

The part about themselves and the online store is so far 3 pages that I see... and on page two it says this about them.
All of the art pieces, except for the items made by Sharon are handmade by Native American Indians in the States. It is important to Sharon and Barry that they sell authentic Native American items and that the Indians get credit for their handmade art. That is why they make a point to explain the difference between Native American made and non-Native American made, as there are inferior copies being passed off as authentic - when they are not.

They are members of (IACA) Indian Arts & Crafts Association for this reason - who strive to promote, protect and preserve the handmade creations of the Native American Indian


So what they are saying here is that they buy alot of what they sell from natives themselves but lets you know that she's not a registered native and which pieces are hers...

Hmmmm.... I looked through IACA's members and they have ALOT of people who are not even from state recognized tribes and everything says spiritual this, spiritual that... It would be nice to hear from someone who knows these people or anything personally about the group.
ive seen their logo on alot of sites...would be interesting to contact some place like the indian arts institute and see what they had to say...
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Blackbear, that was what I was thinking too. I have no problem with people, businesses wanting to promote Native American work, but I could see where the IACA could be easily be used by those who are selling bogus work, because their requirements look so lax.
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Blackbear, that was what I was thinking too. I have no problem with people, businesses wanting to promote Native American work, but I could see where the IACA could be easily be used by those who are selling bogus work, because their requirements look so lax.
i couldnt read the pdf file but it seems like the main intrest is the money part for membership...what were the requirements for being listed as an ndn artist?
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I copied and pasted this directly off the IACA website as is:

Membership

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IACA currently has more than 700 members in the United States,
Canada, Germany, Japan, Italy, and Australia.



Categories and Fees

To open the Membership pdf files below, you will need to download Adobe Acrobat Reader.



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(Or click on FORMS, and download using MS Word.)



Artist/Craftsperson - Individual $55.00/year
- Any individual who is a member of an Indian tribe or is certified as an Indian artisan by an Indian Tribe; or
- Any individual who can provide official documents from the Canadian government certifying his/her status as Canadian Registered Indian, Metis or Inuit.

Retail - $195.00/year
Individuals who are actively engaged in the Indian arts and crafts industry by selling such products to the ultimate consumer for their personal use.

Wholesale - $195.00/year
- Individuals who purchase goods directly from Native American artist/craftspeople for resale to retailers; or
- Individuals who employ Native American artist/craftspeople to produce handmade products for resale to retailers.

Wholesale/Retail - $195.00/year
Those whose business is both wholesale and retail.

Subsequent Location for Retail, Wholesale & Wholesale/Retail - $45.00/year
The original IACA membership is the primary membership. Additional locations thereafter is $45.00 per location. In order to qualify as a Subsequent location, ownership must be the same as that of the primary location which must first be approved.

Tribal Enterprises, Cooperatives, Guilds - $195.00/year
Open to those organizations which are official tribal enterprises, cooperatives or guilds.

Collector - Individual $45.00/year or Joint $60.00/year
Open to all individuals interested in the Indian arts and crafts industry for personal pleasure rather than for business purposes. This category is NOT OPEN to anyone purchasing products for the purpose of resale.

Museum - $50.00/year
Open to any institution devoted to the traditional activities of museums. This category is NOT OPEN to retail shops located within museums as they are required to seek membership in the Retail category.

Sustaining - $100.00/year
Open to individuals or businesses wishing to support the goals and activities of IACA, but do not meet the criteria of any other category. Must provide three positive references.

Associate - $75.00/year
Open to organizations involved in the Indian arts and crafts industry who wish to support the goals and activities of IACA, but do not meet the criteria of any other category.

Student - $10.00/year
Open to any young person between the ages of 12 and 22 who is interested in Native American arts and crafts. Student eligibility is evidenced by a photocopy of the student's ID or other documentation indicating enrollment in an educational institution.
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I know that we have the Indian arts and crafts board

http://www.doi.gov/iacb/index.html

and you don't have to give money to be a member
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maybe call the arts and crafts board ...

Indian Arts and Crafts Board
U.S. Department of Interior
1849 C. Street, N.W.
MS 2058-MIB
Washington, DC. 20240 Telephone: (202) 208-3773
Toll Free: (888) ART-FAKE
Fax: (202) 208-5196
E-mail: iacb@ios.doi.gov

ask them if they heard of them
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maybe call the arts and crafts board ...

Indian Arts and Crafts Board
U.S. Department of Interior
1849 C. Street, N.W.
MS 2058-MIB
Washington, DC. 20240 Telephone: (202) 208-3773
Toll Free: (888) ART-FAKE
Fax: (202) 208-5196
E-mail: iacb@ios.doi.gov

ask them if they heard of them
they have to be real if they have a logo lol
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sO THIs much we know is one is government based and the other is'nt.. what's bothering me about IACA requirements is it says an indian tribe. It does not say federal or state recognized tribe.. simply asks you to name one, but canadian indians it asks for recognition proof for some reason.

it also includes:
Sustaining - $100.00/year
Open to individuals or businesses wishing to support the goals and activities of IACA, but do not meet the criteria of any other category. Must provide three positive references.

Associate - $75.00/year
Open to organizations involved in the Indian arts and crafts industry who wish to support the goals and activities of IACA, but do not meet the criteria of any other category.

So basically they will accept anyone making or selling native crafts whether they fall in the native arts and crafts law requirements is how I'm seeing it. More or less just saying we'll support you as long as your honest about yourself. I don't know if I like that or not...
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sO THIs much we know is one is government based and the other is'nt.. what's bothering me about IACA requirements is it says an indian tribe. It does not say federal or state recognized tribe.. simply asks you to name one, but canadian indians it asks for recognition proof for some reason.

it also includes:
Sustaining - $100.00/year
Open to individuals or businesses wishing to support the goals and activities of IACA, but do not meet the criteria of any other category. Must provide three positive references.

Associate - $75.00/year
Open to organizations involved in the Indian arts and crafts industry who wish to support the goals and activities of IACA, but do not meet the criteria of any other category.

So basically they will accept anyone making or selling native crafts whether they fall in the native arts and crafts law requirements is how I'm seeing it. More or less just saying we'll support you as long as your honest about yourself. I don't know if I like that or not...
sounds like theyre playing off the authentic angle and name recognition,like the good house keeping seal kind of thing to me...if you look at the list of artists there are many well known ndn artists BUT it doesnt say if they are members themselves or just given an award by the organization...that first site that was posted by WW that goes to the site in UK comes up under alot of searches...and whos to know who is and isnt ndn thats buying from a foreign country...if someone from the UK sees the name cherokee ,thats ndn to them...would be interesting to apply as an ndn artist and see if they ever ask for verification etc...
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sO THIs much we know is one is government based and the other is'nt.. what's bothering me about IACA requirements is it says an indian tribe. It does not say federal or state recognized tribe.. simply asks you to name one, but canadian indians it asks for recognition proof for some reason.

it also includes:
Sustaining - $100.00/year
Open to individuals or businesses wishing to support the goals and activities of IACA, but do not meet the criteria of any other category. Must provide three positive references.

Associate - $75.00/year
Open to organizations involved in the Indian arts and crafts industry who wish to support the goals and activities of IACA, but do not meet the criteria of any other category.

So basically they will accept anyone making or selling native crafts whether they fall in the native arts and crafts law requirements is how I'm seeing it. More or less just saying we'll support you as long as your honest about yourself. I don't know if I like that or not...
I agree BB sound like a scam if nobody can prove different LOL
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