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Old 11-11-2011, 04:30 PM   #1
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Making a beaded dance belt with side drops

I've been in a predicament when it comes to this. I have the backing for the belt, but which is better: loom weaving beads for the belt (If you can find a wide enough loom) or bead it using the lazy stitch (I forget the actual newer term for this stitch, since it's by far isn't lazy) onto the backing?

So far, most of my beading has been directly onto the material, a lot of beading appliques and such.

Love to hear some ideas of how some guys have made their belts and side drops. This would be for a Men's Northern Traditional regalia.

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Old 11-13-2011, 04:25 AM   #2
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Speaking just as a beader, with no knowledge of Northern Trad. regalia, I would do whichever I could do the fastest. If that's looming, and your loom isn't wide enough, google handmade bead looms and you will get a lot of hits. Looms that can be made for little or no money. My husband made one of my looms out of some scrap lumber and an extra screen door spring he had.
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And that's what I was afraid of...lol...making a loom. I see it'd be easier to make one than to spend an arm and a leg for one that could go for beads. Is there any instructions on how to make one hanging around on the web? Just a simple one that at least can bead up to 4 inches or around there?

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The same as the post below only without measurements.
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And that's what I was afraid of...lol...making a loom. I see it'd be easier to make one than to spend an arm and a leg for one that could go for beads. Is there any instructions on how to make one hanging around on the web? Just a simple one that at least can bead up to 4 inches or around there?
You mean 4 inches wide? Mine will do that easy.
Here's the best picture I could find on my laptop of my loom. It's the red one.
The smaller one, I got a couple of years ago from FireMoutainGems. I even had my husband adapt that one for me and put some legs on it so I can prop it an an angle and work. I get tired of measuring a piece, so I used a paint pen (Sharpie would work, too) and marked out inches and half inches on the red one. It's about 8 inches wide, and 20 inches long. There are simple hooks on the ends to wrap the threads around.
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You mean 4 inches wide? Mine will do that easy.
Here's the best picture I could find on my laptop of my loom. It's the red one.
The smaller one, I got a couple of years ago from FireMoutainGems. I even had my husband adapt that one for me and put some legs on it so I can prop it an an angle and work. I get tired of measuring a piece, so I used a paint pen (Sharpie would work, too) and marked out inches and half inches on the red one. It's about 8 inches wide, and 20 inches long. There are simple hooks on the ends to wrap the threads around.
Couldn't you have glued one on those cheap plastic rulers instead of Sharpie'ing it?

Just saying. LOL
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Couldn't you have glued one on those cheap plastic rulers instead of Sharpie'ing it?

Just saying. LOL
LOL guess that would mean using your noggin and logic???? Guess that would have been tooooooooo simple !!!
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Uh,no. That would still have left 8 inches without measurement lines on it. :) Besides, I like the red and gold colors. I did think about gluing a ruler on there, but then wondered how much of a problem it would be with the thread catching on it. I use really long thread when I bead (probably about 15 feet), so catching it on something is an issue I don't like having.
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i have a loom that is two two foot triangle with all tread conecting them togather at the corners you wrap your wrap treads around the all treads bead one side flip it to keep beading can bead up to almost a six foot piece with a compact loom
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Uh,no. That would still have left 8 inches without measurement lines on it. :) Besides, I like the red and gold colors. I did think about gluing a ruler on there, but then wondered how much of a problem it would be with the thread catching on it. I use really long thread when I bead (probably about 15 feet), so catching it on something is an issue I don't like having.
guess you never heard of a drafting ruler and to top it off you could cover the whole area then in soft vynil and that takes care of catching things or not!
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If you look in the tutorials, there is one on loom work. I put directions on one way of constructing a loom in the tutorial, it might still have pics attached as well. They are simple to make and relatively inexpensive. All you need is some lumber, some screws and a piece of threaded rod....roughly $20 will build just about any size.

As far as the answer to your question....whatever is faster/easier for you is the choice I would go with. One is as good as the other. I have seen plenty of sets done both ways. Most common I would say is the lazy stitch (now referred to by some as lane stitch). A loom set gives you a little different look from everyone else. I have also seen several that were done with a combination of both. Loom beaded panels with lazy stitch done to fill in the rest of the shape for sidetabs that weren't rectangular.

Good luck in whatever you decide and post some pics so we can all check out your work
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I never thought of a drafting ruler. We just did this with what was on hand-didn't have to buy anything for it.
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I never thought of a drafting ruler. We just did this with what was on hand-didn't have to buy anything for it.
Then from a dollar store get clear mactac and cover the whole area where you don't want to have a thread catch on it! Works great and stays clean.
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Cool idea! Thanks for posting that. My next loom is going to be made from reusing some old walnut telescope legs. My husband is still thinking on that one. It's time to get him motivated though. I want to clean off the back porch and that's where those legs are.
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I used a new folding tv diner tray table in maple, then once it was done I gave it away,,, I never use looms anymore since I started using the wampum stitch and have no need to go back to the fast loom. My work is washmachine safe and I don't loose a single bead. My one pouch that I use every day that hangs off my belt is now 12 years old and still the beads are perfectly intact but the leather looks well worn. I just wish more people would go back to the true way of beading and not be in such a hurry to get it done.
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I know what a belt looks like when it's loom stitched...but does someone have a photo of a belt that's lane stitched? I'd like to see what it looks like.

Also, about the wampum stitch...the link in the previous thread that was closed only shows for three beads going horizontal...how would you stack the beads up to make something substantial? And another question...in a book of mine it shows a something called a corn stitch - is this a similar stitch as the wampum/ladder stitch?
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