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wichapi 02-23-2012 01:32 PM

How much would you charge?
 
I am beading a complete outfit for an 8 yr old grass dancer. Cuffs, harness, belt, headband the whole works, I have no idea how much to charge for it.

Cinkala 02-23-2012 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wichapi (Post 1520688)
I am beading a complete outfit for an 8 yr old grass dancer. Cuffs, harness, belt, headband the whole works, I have no idea how much to charge for it.

Shot in the dark but 1,000$ or so

Toolbox 02-24-2012 12:31 PM

First thing is to consider how much of the outfit you will be making, then how much the materials are going to cost you then figure out how long it will take you to make it and what level of difficulty you are going to have doing it. Then figure out how much your talent is worth. Also consider who the family of the child is - as in are they friends or relatives and if so would you give them a discount on the labor.

I know someone who was going to make a adult mens complete outfit, everything sans the roach, for about $1,800. A child is much smaller so the amount of materials and work are scaled down a bit.

Just my 2 cents. I myself am not a beadworker or good at sewing, but my line of work puts me in the same situation of how much to charge after materials. I'm basing the above with how I see my gf's family handle orders for outfits and beadwork.

Joe's Dad 02-24-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Toolbox (Post 1522211)
First thing is to consider how much of the outfit you will be making, then how much the materials are going to cost you then figure out how long it will take you to make it and what level of difficulty you are going to have doing it. Then figure out how much your talent is worth. Also consider who the family of the child is - as in are they friends or relatives and if so would you give them a discount on the labor.

I know someone who was going to make a adult mens complete outfit, everything sans the roach, for about $1,800. A child is much smaller so the amount of materials and work are scaled down a bit.

Just my 2 cents. I myself am not a beadworker or good at sewing, but my line of work puts me in the same situation of how much to charge after materials. I'm basing the above with how I see my gf's family handle orders for outfits and beadwork.

Damn, now I'm gonna have to get a second job. :laughing:

wyo_rose 02-24-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Toolbox (Post 1522211)
First thing is to consider how much of the outfit you will be making, then how much the materials are going to cost you then figure out how long it will take you to make it and what level of difficulty you are going to have doing it. Then figure out how much your talent is worth. Also consider who the family of the child is - as in are they friends or relatives and if so would you give them a discount on the labor.

I know someone who was going to make a adult mens complete outfit, everything sans the roach, for about $1,800. A child is much smaller so the amount of materials and work are scaled down a bit.

Just my 2 cents. I myself am not a beadworker or good at sewing, but my line of work puts me in the same situation of how much to charge after materials. I'm basing the above with how I see my gf's family handle orders for outfits and beadwork.

That is a great post regarding all the factors to take into consideration when pricing beadwork, or any other craft.

Toolbox 02-24-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wyo_rose (Post 1522214)
That is a great post regarding all the factors to take into consideration when pricing beadwork, or any other craft.

Thanks Wyo!

Joe's Dad 02-24-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Toolbox (Post 1522211)
First thing is to consider how much of the outfit you will be making, then how much the materials are going to cost you then figure out how long it will take you to make it and what level of difficulty you are going to have doing it. Then figure out how much your talent is worth. Also consider who the family of the child is - as in are they friends or relatives and if so would you give them a discount on the labor.

I know someone who was going to make a adult mens complete outfit, everything sans the roach, for about $1,800. A child is much smaller so the amount of materials and work are scaled down a bit.

Just my 2 cents. I myself am not a beadworker or good at sewing, but my line of work puts me in the same situation of how much to charge after materials. I'm basing the above with how I see my gf's family handle orders for outfits and beadwork.

So what is defined as a 'complete' Men's Traditional outfit?

Just in case I win the lotto. LOL

Toolbox 02-24-2012 04:15 PM

Sorry I should have said complete grass outfit* LOL Stupid me. She was telling me that it was a complete grass outfit I didn't think to ask what that includes.

wardancer 02-24-2012 07:40 PM

Hey Joe,,,,,,,,NO CHUZ !!!LOL

Zeke 02-25-2012 01:47 AM

Charge materials plus an hourly rate for labor. (Rate to be based on what the market will support.)

Be sure to discount any ability you may possess and base your rate entirely upon whatever Kiowakat and her ilk determine your card is worth. :41:

Sigh...

Toolbox 02-25-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 1522516)
Charge materials plus an hourly rate for labor. (Rate to be based on what the market will support.)

Be sure to discount any ability you may possess and base your rate entirely upon whatever Kiowakat and her ilk determine your card is worth. :41:

Sigh...

Zeke, you like to smoke, use your cell phone and rub fabrics all over yourself while pumping gas don't you? LOL.

This thread may get interesting....

Joe's Dad 02-25-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 1522516)
Charge materials plus an hourly rate for labor. (Rate to be based on what the market will support.)

Be sure to discount any ability you may possess and base your rate entirely upon whatever Kiowakat and her ilk determine your card is worth. :41:

Sigh...

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Originally Posted by Toolbox (Post 1522644)
Zeke, you like to smoke, use your cell phone and rub fabrics all over yourself while pumping gas don't you? LOL.

This thread may get interesting....

I was wondering why Ezekial was in here posting last night after consuming too much cognac and smoking those Puerto Rican cigars.

It was interesting before he started spewing feces.

standnbear 02-26-2012 12:00 PM

just my two cents
 
telling someone what to charge for their work is a double edge sword. tell them too much or not enough and your the bad guy.
there are a lot of web sites selling complete outfits. i would go see what they are selling theirs for and adjust to fit yours(more or less detail, family and friend discouts, ect,)

Zeke 02-26-2012 12:48 PM

Sigh...

The point being charge what the item is worth, not where it came from.

If the market will support $10k, that's what I would charge: unless you're giving the family discount. Then, charge 1/2 of market price.

Make sense?

skybird5 02-26-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 1522940)
Sigh...

The point being charge what the item is worth, not where it came from.

If the market will support $10k, that's what I would charge: unless you're giving the family discount. Then, charge 1/2 of market price.

Make sense?

So now there's a market for grass dance outfits??? Of course that doesn't MAKE any sense at all when talking about making POW WOW regalia!

As an artist who makes regalia (i.e, beading/sewing/etc.) I believe that a person must first account for the cost of the materials and then add that to the TIME involved n put a price on the AMOUNT of hours needed to complete a project...$10-15.00 an hour is what I generally use, then if I have to create a design, I also add in a factor for that which accounts for the time, creativity and materials (pens, pencils, graph paper, computer)needed to MAKE the design. I combine all that info into a price AND then give consideration to WHO I'm making it for (friend price, discount, etc). I also ASK the people I'm making something for, HOW MUCH DID THEY PLAN TO PAY??? If they only want to spend $250 on an outfit, I'm sure not gonna charge them $600. Some of this is just plain common sense...

Toolbox 02-26-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skybird5 (Post 1522975)
So now there's a market for grass dance outfits??? Of course that doesn't MAKE any sense at all when talking about making POW WOW regalia!

:lol: HAHAHAHAHA I believe it's traded on the stock market now, it's really a buyer's market because once powwow season hits prices are going to skyrocket.

trouble 02-26-2012 07:09 PM

I'm not sure it's the same in terms of Regalia, because it to me seems more of a heart felt art, than a mere crafts world craft, if you understand my meaning, completely different things....But when I've done things in the past, such as hand crocheted afghans, quilts, party clothing, etc for people, I have learned that in the "craft world", you charge 3 times the cost of the materials as the final charge, not including delivery or postal charges. So, in the case of hand crochetted afghans, it is "normal" to charge for a king sized afghan $150 and they sell very well at that price, so it must be considered good deal. It costs $50 for the yarn needed for that size and takes me 3 weeks of crocheting "on the side" apart from normal day to day activities and work, in order to complete one. Again, this is just one color, one stitch, straight through nothing else but cost of the yarn and labor to complete the project. If it were something like an embroidery piece that I have done before, you factor in , as stated before, the cost of the creative time in design, which some folks then have patented or copywrited, which costs an additional fee to do, simply to maintain the uniqueness of the piece.

And to add to the good advise given by others so far, if it is an intricate piece, requiring more time, the cost of it should be more, as it takes more time to create it...and as you all know, the more well known the artist is, I am sure that they are ABLE to charge a price for their time and efforts above what the average craftsperson could charge, for name recognition , as on other products as well......

(I've done hand work for people who create these how to books that you buy in craft stores before, workers get paid solely based on the number of stitches in a piece or the amount of time they alloted to cut the piece out to sew together....simply because they are providing all the materials and the design and just want someone to produce it according to the directions they have written down to see if the end result is what they thought that they had written. It's an interesting process to see how a piece goes from the hand drawn graph paper designs to being published in a book you can find all over the world for others to create the same item.)

Zeke 02-26-2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by skybird5 (Post 1522975)
So now there's a market for grass dance outfits???

OFF COURSE there is.


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