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Old 10-13-2003, 08:42 AM   #21
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Miigwetch Steve Jammer and the others for your input here.
I am kind of surprised there were not many grassdancers who responded.
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Old 10-13-2003, 06:38 PM   #22
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Re: I don't know....

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I don't know, I like my story better. I never seen a chicken dancer in battle?? I mean doesn't "chicken," mean you don't fight? What do you think jammer, you a deep thinking guy?

While we are talking about chicken dancers, what makes someone a chicken dancer?? Is the chicken your spirit guide??
You've never seen a chicken dancer in battle? Well last I checked I never seen a straight dancer or tradtional dancer in battle either. Unless you've lived another life and some how manage to recall past life experiences ya know lol. Just because you've never seen something doesn't mean it couldn't of been. And aren't roosters chickens? Last time I checked there were cock fights still going on in certain parts of the usa. As for the what makes someone a chicken dancer comment, I take it that 1. Your not native, or 2.You are native and were raised in a urban setting and have never been around a good powwow. Chicken dancers aren't the only dancers that imitate an animal. There are other certain styles of dancing where the dancers imitate other animals for certain reasons of honoring the said animals.
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Old 10-13-2003, 07:13 PM   #23
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Cool Where you from jammer?

Well since Steve hasn't made it to any good pow wows, and you have, how about sharing your knowledge with me. Chicken dancers are inmitating roosters in cock fights? You know I have been to cock fights.......I never seen a mirror board there??

What styles imitate animals??
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Old 10-14-2003, 03:53 AM   #24
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LOL I can not believe you have just totally misunderstood everything I just said there. Please read the under lying caption of this portion. LOL
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Cool hmmmm

Soooo you don't know?? Is that what you are saying??
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LOL fancy dancer eh lol. I never said that I knew the answers to it or anything else. I only stated what I thought or what my veiws were in my first posting. But since you think its funny of asking if I know or not. Do you know why? To be honest I really don't care why others use them, thats their buisness not mine, I have other things to worry about then why someone uses something or wears something.
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Cool hmmmmm......

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why someone uses something or wears something.
See jammer that is what seperates Indians from other people. We do things and wear things for a reason. Everything we do has reason and purpose. I would have thought you knew this, being cherokee and all??
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Old 10-15-2003, 04:24 AM   #28
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That is exactly what I said. Why someone uses something or wears something is none of my buisness. The same goes for me, we may wear some of the same things or use some of the same things but that doesn't mean that we are wearing them or using them for the same reasons. Everything has its own meaning and reasons for use, but each individual piece that people wear or use can have an individual meaning or use behind it. Hence why I said that what someone wears of uses is none of my buisness they may use it or wear it for their own individual reasons. And I don't know why I'm explaining myself to you. Guess I'm being the moron here eh.
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Jammer, I can't believe you're trying to challenge Steve StopsonTime. He's obviously Native and you are sooooo a little white boy, it's ridiculous. GIVE IT UP!!
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LOL:Chatter Whatever. Skuya last time I checked it was him and I having the conversation. Why you feel the need to jump in on something that evidently has nothing to do with you, I don't understand. Also skuya until you know me don't deem to think you know who or what I am, I've been here long enough for people to know who I am and what I am and what I'm not. Maybe if you shutup and set back you might actually learn somethings like the rest of us.
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First of all, I feel like I can jump in anytime because your conversation is a public one. If you don't want any other comments, take it to the pm. Secondly, I've also been on here long enough to know that you are one of the famous TRANSFORMERS. You started out as a white kid just learning from some club or group but have transformed yourself into someone who claims to be Native. To add insult to injury, you are one of the ones who has the ignorance not to know an Indian when you hear one and the audacity to talk down to one. Finally, I don't need to sit back and learn like the rest of you cuz I'm Indian born and bred, BABEEEE. I don't learn my **** from the Internet. I learn it from real live people. The Internet is just to meet other Indians from other places and weed out fakes like you. So, there. :p
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Well evidently you haven't been here as long as you say you have, Because last time I looked I didn't belong to ****, well other then this website, where people like you change your name for uknown reasons. and me being a white boy? lol Well then my **** must be a funny shade of white that I've never seen before. But since you seem to know me and the rest of everyone on here perhaps you can come over and let me know what you think. Go on and speak your feabled *** mind and waste your breathe because really its no sweat off my ***. Oh and last time I checked I was able to speak how ever I want to whom ever I feel the need. Do something else with your time instead of trying to hate on people you don't know or think you know. If theres anything else you want to say why not speak it in pm instead of trying to trash up another good forum.
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Hence why I said that what someone wears of uses is none of my buisness they may use it or wear it for their own individual reasons.
You know jammer I am going to have to disagree with you on this. Indians wear stuff because it has meaning and also tells other Indians that because they wear something with a certain design on or color or colors of feathers or carry certains things and the list goes on and on and on, people can ask them to do things, perform ceromonies etc etc etc. Just because you can make something or buy something, doesn't mean you should wear it or carry it.

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why not speak it in pm instead of trying to trash up another good forum.
I know you are talking to Skuya, but being the good Lakota girl she is, she is just doing what she was taught. Indian's don't talk behind people's back. If you hold yourself out to be something or you are wearing something etc etc you have to be able to back it up. That's the whole oral tradition thing I was talking about in another forum. You see Indians get called on stuff all the time at wacipi's up here, in front of everyone. I have noticed white people have trouble with direct confrontation like that.
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What does wacipi or any other lakota ceremony have to do with me? Or a mirror for that matter? ANd since when did a lakota tradition or any other nations traditions have anything to do with another nations traditions? I hear what your saying and I understand where your coming from, but I don't believe I have brought up anything within this forum to pertain anything about another nations beliefs. And as far as wearing certain stuff I would thinkg that a person would only wear what they are allowed to wear or should wear for that matter. Micmac's, lakotas, cherokees, seminoles, navajo's, kiowas, pawnee', ponca' all within tow very different nations or tribes could possibly have something in common thatboth different nations could possibly wear but be for or mean two very different things or reasons for wearing them. Oh I don't understand where the comment of talking behind someones back came from. But if someone feels that I have done something or wants to ask me something I don't lie. And I usually don't sugar coat my feelings neither. This isn't meant towards you or anyone else on here for that matter, I'm just stating what I do and won't do.
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What does wacipi or any other lakota ceremony have to do with me? Or a mirror for that matter? ANd since when did a lakota tradition or any other nations traditions have anything to do with another nations traditions? I hear what your saying and I understand where your coming from, but I don't believe I have brought up anything within this forum to pertain anything about another nations beliefs. And as far as wearing certain stuff I would thinkg that a person would only wear what they are allowed to wear or should wear for that matter. Micmac's, lakotas, cherokees, seminoles, navajo's, kiowas, pawnee', ponca' all within tow very different nations or tribes could possibly have something in common thatboth different nations could possibly wear but be for or mean two very different things or reasons for wearing them. Oh I don't understand where the comment of talking behind someones back came from. But if someone feels that I have done something or wants to ask me something I don't lie. And I usually don't sugar coat my feelings neither. This isn't meant towards you or anyone else on here for that matter, I'm just stating what I do and won't do.
You know jammer, unless I am wrong pow wow came from one place. So why wouldn't the same customs be followed? You know baseball is played all over the world, is the game played diffrent in Japan than here? It is basically the same game, wear the same uniform etc etc etc? Why you think that is? Could it be the Boy scouts never made it a merit badge?

I would love to hear where your pow wow traditions come from? I have read here that navajo's and eastern tribes invented pow wow? Does your tribe have a claim too it as well??
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Not all of us have the same views as jammer does. Not sayin his explenations are wrong or anything cause I don't know anything about chicken dancers and mirrior boards,but some of us know the real explenations about things so don't hate on us all just because one cherokee is giving HIS explenation and not the tribes.
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